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Old 02-16-2011, 12:03 PM   #71 (permalink)
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For someone with 10,000 posts you seem to struggle with having a conversation.

I cited sources. why don't you cite sources?
You don't have the big picture...I can't cite enough sources to give you decades of education and industry experience.


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So what about going from 3 or 4 man crews to 2. You still have 2 functioning pilots in case something happens to the other. That seem that far fetched?
That's plausible if rest requirements are met.

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If you go from 2 to 1 and UAV type capabilities as a backup, couldn't they argue that is safer than what we have now which provides no backup if both pilots becoming incapacitated?

THIS IS NOT PLAUSIBLE! THIS IS WHAT YOU DON'T GET! "UAV TYPE CAPABILITIES" WILL GUARANTEE NUMEROUS CATASTROPHIC, FATAL ACCIDENTS ! THE USAF HAS LOST 50% OF THE PREDS TO NON_COMBAT ACCIDENTS! EXISTING UAV TECHNOLOGY WILL NOT WORK FOR AIRLINERS! YOU NEED NEW, BETTER, FAR MORE EXPENSIVE TECHNOLOGY!

The odds of both pilots keeling over is statistically low enough that the FAA is OK with it. It has never happened during the jet age that I am aware of.

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As in they can't write a certification standard tomorrow? As in Part 121 single pilot ops isn't already being trained or performed today? Life as a LCA can be exciting.
They can't do ANYTHING tomorrow, it would take decades. But the real question is why would they do it??? Who's paying, and why?



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See way above. BTW, so the FAA is okay with Part 91/135 aircraft crashing but not Part 121? Part 135/91 are expendable?
YES, THEY ARE "EXPENDABLE"...do you not even understand the current regulatory structure of the industry you are in???

SINGLE PILOT 91/135 OPS ARE ALLOWED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEONE CHARTERING AN AIRPLANE KNOWS WHAT HE'S GETTING INTO! There was a crash in Idaho (?) not long ago that was apparently caused by incapacitation...the family that chartered the airplane died. But they saved money on that co-pilot!

The general public (part 121) on the other hand, is not "informed" and has to have everything taken care of for them.

Oh yeah, and after 10,000 posts you have got to be near the top as far as talking a lot about things which you do not and apparently cannot fully comprehend. I'm not going to feed this troll anymore. Bur either way, we'll know for sue in 20 years. Out.
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:05 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Rick, pretty lame. Sorry if it was too much for you to handle. Good luck, lay off the caps lock and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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YouTube - Hal 9000 VS Dave - Ontological scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey

Next we'll have aircraft that become " self-aware".
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YouTube - Hal 9000 VS Dave - Ontological scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey

Next we'll have aircraft that become " self-aware".
How about autonomous stealthy Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV)? Kind of Terminator sounding. I think I'd rather have someone with a joy stick still in charge even if its kn the other side of the world.

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Looming ominously like a space ship from Star Wars, this is the future of unmanned flight.

Defence firm BAE Systems today officially unveiled its first ever high-tech unmanned stealth jet.

The Taranis, named after the Celtic god of thunder, is about the same size as a Hawk jet and is equipped with stealth equipment and an 'autonomous' artificial intelligence system.

The plane will test the possibility of developing the first ever autonomous stealthy Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV) that would ultimately be capable of precisely striking targets at long range, even in another continent.


Taranis, the prototype of an unmanned combat aircraft of the future, which was unveiled today
The trial aircraft cost £143 million pounds to construct and spearheads BAE's drive to convince the Ministry of Defence to invest in the next generation of unmanned aircraft.

Almost invisible to ground radar, it is designed to travel at high jet speeds and cover massive distances between continents.

The plane is built to carry out intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance on enemy territory using onboard sensors.

And it has been designed to carry a cache of weapons - including bombs and missiles -, giving it a potential long-range strike capability.

It can be controlled from anywhere in the world with satellite communications.

Experts say the cutting-edge design is at the forefront of world technology and as advanced as any US development.

The plane began development in December 2006, and is intended to prove the UK's ability to produce a stealthy UAV.

Taranis will be stealthy, fast, able to carry out use a number of on-board weapons systems and be able to defend itself against manned and other unmanned enemy aircraft.


The concept demonstrator will test the possibility of developing the first ever autonomous stealthy Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV) that would ultimately be capable of precisely striking targets at long range, even in another continent
Any future need hinges on the outcome of the Strategic Defence and Security Review, which will conclude around October.

Speaking at the unveiling ceremony at BAE Systems in Warton, Lancashire, Minister for International Security Strategy Gerald Howarth said: 'Taranis is a truly trailblazing project.

'The first of its kind in the UK, it reflects the best of our nationís advanced design and technology skills and is a leading programme on the global stage.'

He added: 'Taranis shows the UK's advanced engineering, research, technology and innovation sector at its world-beating best.'

Taranis is an informal partnership of the UK MoD and industry* British engineering firms including BAE Systems, Rolls Royce, QinetiQ and GE Aviation.

Rolls-Royce will focus on the next generation propulsion system for the Taranis demonstrator.

Speaking on behalf of the industry team, Nigel Whitehead, Group managing director of BAE Systems' Programmes & Support business, said: 'Taranis has been three and a half years in the making and is the product of more than a million man-hours.

'It represents a significant step forward in this country's fast-jet capability. This technology is key to sustaining a strong industrial base and to maintain the UK's leading position as a centre for engineering excellence and innovation."

The Taranis prototype will provide the MOD with knowledge on the technical and manufacturing challenges and the potential capabilities of Unmanned Combat Air Systems.

Test flights for the Taranis plane are due to start in 2011.
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Rick,

You sir, have embarrassed yourself to the point where I'm not quite sure where to begin. Apologies to myself and FTB accepted in advance. Quite possibly when you "mature" from the "CRJ position" your profile states, you might be able to have a constructive conversation without name calling or CAPS LOCKS ON for the entire response.


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You don't have the big picture...I can't cite enough sources to give you decades of education and industry experience.

I've been involved with RPA/UAV operations for the Air Force now for almost three years. You sir are the one with your "head in the sand". If you'd like, PM me that you'd like to discuss the topic further over the phone and I can offer you my number. Nobody is advocating this is happening tomorrow, but for you to constantly take the stance it'll never happen, or never has even the most remote possibility of happening, is truly the one "at a loss" in this conversation.


That's plausible if rest requirements are met.

Thank you for finally "walking towards the light". After taking the position the last seven pages about the thought itself being impossible, you come to the conclusion that, yes, "remote ops with a reduced person crew" could see the light, sometime in the future. Thank you again for "opening your eyes".

THIS IS NOT PLAUSIBLE! THIS IS WHAT YOU DON'T GET! "UAV TYPE CAPABILITIES" WILL GUARANTEE NUMEROUS CATASTROPHIC, FATAL ACCIDENTS ! THE USAF HAS LOST 50% OF THE PREDS TO NON_COMBAT ACCIDENTS! EXISTING UAV TECHNOLOGY WILL NOT WORK FOR AIRLINERS! YOU NEED NEW, BETTER, FAR MORE EXPENSIVE TECHNOLOGY!

You know of not what you talk, "and that's all I got to say about that". (In my best Forest Gump impression.) Either lay off the caffeine, or remember to look at the screen every so often to see that you're typing with ALL CAPS LOCKS ON. Very annoying man, grow up.

The odds of both pilots keeling over is statistically low enough that the FAA is OK with it. It has never happened during the jet age that I am aware of.

The FAA is OK with both pilots becoming incapacitated in flight? Really? Shoot, then why in the heck those "pesky" regulations about me wearing my oxygen mask above certain altitudes when the other pilot leaves the flightdeck? Why even take a flight physical anymore if the FAA is ok with losing two pilots in flight, but not one and having the back-up of a machine? Better yet. You know what's considered an adequate source of navigation and airplane control during single pilot Part 135 operations? ...................That's right Johhny, you win the prize.......it's THE AUTOPILOT!!!

They can't do ANYTHING tomorrow, it would take decades. But the real question is why would they do it??? Who's paying, and why?

Why would a contractor make money building something for the government or private sector? Why? I only have two responses to that, and if you'd like, feel free to google them after this schooling. HALLIBURTON & KELLOGG BROWN & ROOT. (Caps Locks intended for effect.)


YES, THEY ARE "EXPENDABLE"...do you not even understand the current regulatory structure of the industry you are in???

SINGLE PILOT 91/135 OPS ARE ALLOWED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEONE CHARTERING AN AIRPLANE KNOWS WHAT HE'S GETTING INTO!

Ludicrous statement and EPIC FAIL at best to discuss the issue at hand. Thank you, move along, nothing to see here.

The general public (part 121) on the other hand, is not "informed" and has to have everything taken care of for them.

Oh yeah, and after 10,000 posts you have got to be near the top as far as talking a lot about things which you do not and apparently cannot fully comprehend.

That right there is the Pot calling the Kettle black. Again, PM me if you'd like to be proven wrong over the phone too.

I'm not going to feed this troll anymore. Bur either way, we'll know for sue in 20 years. Out.

Assuming your on "blood pressure" medication, no? If not, might want to be tested for hypertension because you're becoming far too melodramatic for a simple discussion about future possibilities. Enjoy the Collins line in the CRJ's.
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For all the skeptics.

Unmanned Navy Stealth Bomber's Maiden Flight - FoxNews.com

This thing is being designed to take-off from and land to an aircraft carrier, AUTONOMOUSLY!!

Not saying that passenger carrying ops will become autonomous, don't think I'd even get on that aircraft, but if we can design them to perform carrier ops by themselves, surely we can have remote operations of aircraft while in the least critical phase of flight possible, "cruise mode".

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Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS)

There's an FAA roadmap for UAS systems posted here; nothing too impressive from what I see...am I missing something?

http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives...FACT_Sheet.pdf

The FAA is more concerned right now with UAS's simply occupying the same space as manned passenger aircraft.
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For all the skeptics.

Unmanned Navy Stealth Bomber's Maiden Flight - FoxNews.com

This thing is being designed to take-off from and land to an aircraft carrier, AUTONOMOUSLY!!

Not saying that passenger carrying ops will become autonomous, don't think I'd even get on that aircraft, but if we can design them to perform carrier ops by themselves, surely we can have remote operations of aircraft while in the least critical phase of flight possible, "cruise mode".

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Maybe Air Refueling is next!
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I would put money in Vegas that they're working on UAS's being air refueled as we speak.

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Or quite possibly even unmanned tankers flying continuous orbits, not needing to worry about crew duty days.
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Boeing Demonstrates UAV Automated Aerial Refueling Capability

Northrop Grumman Planning First UAV-to-UAV Aerial Refueling | Xconomy
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