PCL TA Reached. all 200's gone
12-22-2012, 08:18 AM
#321
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Bloch doesn't differentiate between XJ 900's and 9E 900's.
It is a flat ratio, if you lose 16 900's you lose:
XJ - 78
9E - 27 spots
The question I don't know the answer about the Bloch award is what happens to the ratios with additional airframes added after the award.
It is a flat ratio, if you lose 16 900's you lose:
XJ - 78
9E - 27 spots
The question I don't know the answer about the Bloch award is what happens to the ratios with additional airframes added after the award.
12-22-2012, 08:41 AM
#322
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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat
What if most of the CA's are lifers.
That's why I think in the Thursday night memo about the TA they stated they will be able to get through the list so quickly. I'll have to find the quote, but they said something about making it down the list (it didn't say to everyone!) by 2015.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the 81 aircraft guarantee is only good for while the concessionary contract is in place. After the amendable date all these promises go away (albeit in 7 years).
Last edited by 80ktsClamp; 12-22-2012 at 08:45 AM. Reason: edit- Bar touched on the last point... that is a big one
12-22-2012, 08:45 AM
#323
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
there is a lot more to add, i'm not a fan of this ta but....
-100 mesaba pilots not in that number, they are additional
-this is three to four times the rate of pinnacle pilots that were hired in 0708,10 without pref treatment
-the numbers of pilots that get passed over for hire don't count in the numbers that have to come over, which will be substantial in the higher seniority numbers. this will get to junior guys much much faster than a flow would ever
-100 mesaba pilots not in that number, they are additional
-this is three to four times the rate of pinnacle pilots that were hired in 0708,10 without pref treatment
-the numbers of pilots that get passed over for hire don't count in the numbers that have to come over, which will be substantial in the higher seniority numbers. this will get to junior guys much much faster than a flow would ever
12-22-2012, 08:50 AM
#324
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Agreed, however, on the last point- it is only available to current captains or captains on leave. There comes a point fairly quickly when the lifer log jam takes up all the CA slots (only around 405) and the program is effectively toast at that point.
12-22-2012, 08:53 AM
#325
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Originally Posted by jerm879
This is incorrect and wishfull thinking.The fact is nobody knows yet it is up to the disput resolution committee right now to come to a agreement if they can't do that then they go back to Bloch for his interpretation.
I'm XJ and we are losing 78 protected 900 positions as opposed to 9E's 27 because they are getting rid of 16 9E airframes.
Wishful thinking for me would be that XJ keeps all of its 900 protected positions.
Going down in number of 900 airframes was never the issue.
The issue is, what happens when the numbers go up?
Do we get the same ratio with more 900 airframes? Or do the new positions go to the highest seniority?
That is the question Bloch needs to answer.
12-22-2012, 09:17 AM
#326
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The union says that it's a captain at the time the agreement is signed or on leave as a captain when the agreement is signed. That's basically the entire list in 2 years.
12-22-2012, 09:19 AM
#327
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
What the union says and what is written on that agreement is different we need to clarify that in writing. The way I understand it when I read it is that you need to be a captain at the time of your interview, so displaced captains would not count. If the union says captain at the time of signing we needed it worded that way
12-22-2012, 09:24 AM
#328
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Can someone explain the 1/3 that can be hired outside of when their number comes up? Does this mean FOs that are "unqualified" (because they aren't captains) per the seniority-based part flow can be given an interview if they meet Delta's normal requirements for being hired off the street?
12-22-2012, 09:33 AM
#329
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Originally Posted by yb23
Can someone explain the 1/3 that can be hired outside of when their number comes up? Does this mean FOs that are "unqualified" (because they aren't captains) per the seniority-based part flow can be given an interview if they meet Delta's normal requirements for being hired off the street?
12-22-2012, 10:11 AM
#330
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Originally Posted by yb23
Can someone explain the 1/3 that can be hired outside of when their number comes up? Does this mean FOs that are "unqualified" (because they aren't captains) per the seniority-based part flow can be given an interview if they meet Delta's normal requirements for being hired off the street?
18 years and over will get $26,000 dollar pay out for longevity 30 days after company leaves bankruptcy. Lower longevity is prorated.
Captain pay is $87.31/hr for next two years for CRJ900. Then tops out at 91.76 at DOS +6.
FO pay will be $38.58/hr at 3-4 year max cap. Up to $40.55/hr at DOS +6. On the 900.
Per diem at $1.70/ hr.
This will be painful, better brush up on my interview skills if this thing passes. Good luck to all. God Bless.
Any good Delta interview gouge out there?
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