Waitingformins

Really, somehow not freezing the by passers until year 12 was on the table. Guess if the senior guys running the union were getting displaced it find its way on the table too. Fo's ehh still just lucky to be here.

You think the company thought, hmm well, we may need the 2 dozen votes from the guys who failed their interview or bypassed at year 11. Let's give them a reason to vote yes.
Brah the union calculates everything and letting the Fo's get screwed is part of their calculations.

I am being facetious, but I've also met plenty of senior pilots willing to tell me how I can help them.

pagey

Well, yea it probably was. As you mentioned there are very few who that particular clause has an effect on right now so in turn is a very small cost for the company.

Buying every FO off of every displacement would not only be a huge cost item but would also greatly affect staffing.

Again, if you vote no what do you think the company is going to do if they feel they want to displace you 9 days before your trip starts?

1stCivDivPilot

If we vote yes, none of that will change. The language is already in the contract to screw everyone.

And that's why I keep asking what part of Chap 25 supersedes the other? Can I grieve that because I was put into long call reserve 9 or 30 days out I was denied the ability to trip trade 48 hours out? One part of Chap 25 allows a violation of another part of Chap 25. What if not being able to trade keeps me from picking up a critical trip?

They decided to protect LCA from schedule locks greater than 6 days but no one else from the displacements it would cause? Give me a break. They should have been able to think one step further from LCA protection and attempted to clarify the displacement language. Are they so incapable of seeing the forest for the trees? Also a known issue is the company interpretting the OR as an AND in the displacement language. If the NC had thought one step past the pet protection for LCA they could have possibly fix a QOL issue for the majority of the pilot group.

CaptLucky

What planet are you from? It was a competitive bid and PSA won. Still don't get it..........

CaptLucky

Maybe it matched the language from the other wholly owns? Maybe the MEC felt the senior guys were owed something for 15 or 18 years here?
ALPA has been screwing junior pilots since the day ALPA began. But it's managements fault? LOL

billyho

Actually you don't also. It was a competitive bid (ahahahah actually it was a joke bid) and Piedmont was actually the first to get all 3 labor groups on board (Pilots, FA and Mx). The RJ's were going to PSA period because the D-328 prop was done and parts were impossible to find.

All 3 groups got played by not only Management but ALPA national. Research Chris Beebe US Airways Union guys and you'll find how ALPA lied to ALG, PDT and PSA. Trouble is, USAirways management was in bed with the AAA MECC (Beebe) to cut costs at the wholly owneds. Beebe didn't inform any of the three MECCs he knew the jets were already allocated to PSA. Had he represented pilots as a whole, all three wholly owneds most likely would have retained the united front, both companies would be at the same place they are today but with better work rules, higher pay, and less animosity.

We found out Beebe screwed us well after the SOB was elected VP of Finance for ALPA. Ask around to some of the louder PDT guys who have been around a while if they have the court transcript that basically says what I just posted. It's out there.

ALPA National has it's true loyalty and it ain't the Regionals.

PDTpilotXX

The transcripts are available online. AMAZING read. Sickening

Slick111

I've been thinking a lot about this TA and I feel compelled to chime in on it and think outside the box a little bit.

My initial reaction to the TA was "Sure, I'll vote for it! The company is giving up things and not asking for anything in return!" Pretty good deal!!"

But then the cynic in me started asking "why". Why is the company seemingly giving us a better quality of life, a better flow-through to mainline, no captain pay cap short of 12 years, and other nicey-nice things,......... and they're not asking for anything in return?

First, you have to realize that Dougie and his minions never give away ANYTHING ,.......... unless they're getting MORE in return. And what "more" could Dougie be angling for in this TA? The answer is more cheap regional pilots to fly more of his CRJ 900s, at lower wages than he would have to pay if he was forced to bring those shiny new $65 million 900s in-house.

So it struck me that Dougie could give us (current pilot group) a lot more if he wants us to give him a contract that allows him to retain and attract "more" cheap pilots to his cheap regional airline(s).

I also began giving a lot of thought to what would happen if we voted this TA down and mainline didn't come back and sweeten the pot. Here's what I came up with. Most pilots in the upper half of the seniority list have been moving up 4-5 spots every month,..... mostly because so many of the guys ahead of them are waiting around for their turn to flow to mainline. And if the TA passes the flow should be 7/month by the end of 2016. So at 7/month, (assuming the top 75 don't flow and assuming 1 additional pilot in the top half moves on to another airline every month), seniority pilot number 400 can reasonably expect a move to mainline in 41-49 months.

If, however, the TA does not pass,....... those same top 400 or 500 pilots who were waiting to flow to AA are going to be a lot more active in terms of applying to other employers; Delta, United, Southwest, jetBlue, Spirit, Frontier, Virgin, UPS, FedEx, Polar, Southern, Netjets, Flexjets, XOJet, and others. And if Delta and United get their wish and get to add a bunch of E-190s and/or CS100/300s, the PSA/PDT/ENY exodus will be much worse!

Suddenly, seniority pilot #400, 500, 600, 700, etc. could find themselves moving up the seniority list at the same pace they would have if the TA had passed,.... maybe quicker! And where does that leave Dougie?!?! With pilots bailing out and no one to backfill.


So, bottom line,....... if the TA does not pass,........ Dougie (and Dion) will have to do better.

I think I'm going to be a "no" vote.

Dynasty22

Hahahhahaha that's funny

griff312

Forgive me for introjecting myself into your thread. I promise that I'm not here to bash, or anything. But Slick is spot on! This is exactly what they have done with ENY. Parker, and his down-line, have been touting the flow as their genius way to staff the airline with "new hires", and control outside attrition. So they see no need or reason to improve QOL at this place (ie pay, fix the horrible reserve contract, sh!tty lines, ect.). Meanwhile, a new hire class of 7, is probably the largest we've had in the last few years. Keep in mind; flow, while a great card to have in your back pocket, is not very tangible. Just ask the Eagle guys that were told that they would flow in 2 years, 16 years ago.