New Son Of ASA/Expressjet Thread
06-01-2016, 08:15 AM
#571
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Originally Posted by ThreeStripe
That would work if there was one standard for hiring at all airlines. When the top of some lists are populated with Bob the crop duster, it is hard to justify a flow.
You're correct in you're statement, however many new-hires are in that same category and worse. Many have no professional experience at all and have come into the airline world from recreational aviation as career changers, motivated by long overdue increases in pay and CTP offers.
Pilot background was not considered in mergers between majors, but when the possibility of stapling regionals comes up it becomes an issue. We've already been flying ML passengers with the same expectation on us as ML pilots, probably with even more scrutiny, but aren't acceptable to be integrated to their company. That's a little hypocritical IMO.
A real issue now is that with flows, mainlines are obligating themselves to career-changers with no previous background and a history of struggling through training. One issue I have experienced is trying to get some of them to take the job seriously. For them it's a bucket list opportunity with no real commitment to performing the job to their full potential. Training them in the importance of customer service has been as big a challenge as the importance of standardization. Now, at some airlines with fast upgrades, these individuals are becoming captains, and as a long-time commuter I can notice the difference in demeanor from the cockpit. I think these are all factors that ML mgmts need to consider in their relationships with FFD carriers.
06-03-2016, 03:18 PM
#572
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Posts: 504
Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
You're correct in you're statement, however many new-hires are in that same category and worse. Many have no professional experience at all and have come into the airline world from recreational aviation as career changers, motivated by long overdue increases in pay and CTP offers.
Pilot background was not considered in mergers between majors, but when the possibility of stapling regionals comes up it becomes an issue. We've already been flying ML passengers with the same expectation on us as ML pilots, probably with even more scrutiny, but aren't acceptable to be integrated to their company. That's a little hypocritical IMO.
A real issue now is that with flows, mainlines are obligating themselves to career-changers with no previous background and a history of struggling through training. One issue I have experienced is trying to get some of them to take the job seriously. For them it's a bucket list opportunity with no real commitment to performing the job to their full potential. Training them in the importance of customer service has been as big a challenge as the importance of standardization. Now, at some airlines with fast upgrades, these individuals are becoming captains, and as a long-time commuter I can notice the difference in demeanor from the cockpit. I think these are all factors that ML mgmts need to consider in their relationships with FFD carriers.
Pilot background was not considered in mergers between majors, but when the possibility of stapling regionals comes up it becomes an issue. We've already been flying ML passengers with the same expectation on us as ML pilots, probably with even more scrutiny, but aren't acceptable to be integrated to their company. That's a little hypocritical IMO.
A real issue now is that with flows, mainlines are obligating themselves to career-changers with no previous background and a history of struggling through training. One issue I have experienced is trying to get some of them to take the job seriously. For them it's a bucket list opportunity with no real commitment to performing the job to their full potential. Training them in the importance of customer service has been as big a challenge as the importance of standardization. Now, at some airlines with fast upgrades, these individuals are becoming captains, and as a long-time commuter I can notice the difference in demeanor from the cockpit. I think these are all factors that ML mgmts need to consider in their relationships with FFD carriers.
06-05-2016, 04:57 AM
#574
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Interesting, my experience as well so far. Every interview I've been to has had a someone that has 1500 TT accumulated over 25 years, was in some different line of work and now wants to jump in and "live the dream"........yikes. One guy sitting in the lobby even mentioned that he had to "get creative with his logbook" (moron), not offered a job thank goodness. Hope the training departments are willing to call a spade a spade.
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