2018 new TA
06-30-2018, 06:22 AM
#211
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Originally Posted by CVGair
Must look at situation outside of bubble, Past, Present, Future. The reality, the big picture. It is what it is regardless of what is wanted. Would the Feds release to strike? (oh you think they would huh?) Is United's master plan a wholly owned model? Does your vote help or hurt your present, your future. Don't vote on emotion, don't vote on the past.
Do you really believe you will get much better based on current industry standards? How long will that take? Of course more is wanted but is that the reality of regional flying today? How does this contract compare with other regionals? The Union signed off on this contract.
TAKE the money or not
Do you really believe you will get much better based on current industry standards? How long will that take? Of course more is wanted but is that the reality of regional flying today? How does this contract compare with other regionals? The Union signed off on this contract.
TAKE the money or not
This is exactly why i voted yes. Yes the improvements are few and far between. Yes there are also minor drawbacks. But the simple fact of the matter is this company needs a closed book. A no vote gets us nothing. A no vote gets us at least 4 more years of negotiating. At the very least a yes vote gets us a couple bucks. At any rate, cs needs to go as mec chair. His leadership has put us in a deep deep hole and has resulted in a severely weakened union.
06-30-2018, 08:27 AM
#212
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Originally Posted by Day4mx
This is exactly why i voted yes. Yes the improvements are few and far between. Yes there are also minor drawbacks. But the simple fact of the matter is this company needs a closed book. A no vote gets us nothing. A no vote gets us at least 4 more years of negotiating. At the very least a yes vote gets us a couple bucks. At any rate, cs needs to go as mec chair. His leadership has put us in a deep deep hole and has resulted in a severely weakened union.
06-30-2018, 02:39 PM
#213
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Originally Posted by Grumbletrousers
I thought the same way up until I saw there were some QOL concessions.
07-01-2018, 06:31 AM
#214
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Originally Posted by squib
Looks like another YES voter happy to get a measly bonus. You probably only read the bullet points as well instead of the actual language.
My opinion is die has been cast, the car was bought and driven off the dealers lot. You cant take it back, Happy No, however voting and emotion must be separated.
07-01-2018, 10:24 AM
#215
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Originally Posted by CVGair
My opinion is die has been cast, the car was bought and driven off the dealers lot. You cant take it back, Happy No, however voting and emotion must be separated.
07-01-2018, 03:08 PM
#216
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Originally Posted by BFMthisA10
Meh, I don't know about that. I took that hoopty back, parked it in front of the showroom, and left the keys in the cupholder. A lot of well reasoned arguments, both for and against the TA; but some of you should be writing "Brooks was here" in the aft equipment bay during your walkaround.
07-01-2018, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BFMthisA10
Meh, I don't know about that. I took that hoopty back, parked it in front of the showroom, and left the keys in the cupholder. A lot of well reasoned arguments, both for and against the TA; but some of you should be writing "Brooks was here" in the aft equipment bay during your walkaround.
I'll say this for those who think the next step is a strike vote you are mistaken. Please do you own research and not listen to rah rah. (In my opinion the feds will not let a strike occur anyway) I hope everyone understands their own vote and not vote on emotion.
If TA is approved negotiations begin again in 2020, if TA not approved negotiations begin when? All parties must bargain in good faith, the process starts all over again.
Argument by Pro/Con/Fact debate not emotional name calling.
Last edited by CVGair; 07-01-2018 at 03:46 PM. Reason: Realized potential error
07-01-2018, 04:31 PM
#218
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Originally Posted by CVGair
My apologies I cant comprehend what you are trying to say.
I'll say this for those who think the next step is a strike vote you are mistaken. Please do you own research and not listen to rah rah. (In my opinion the feds will not let a strike occur anyway) I hope everyone understands their own vote and not vote on emotion.
If TA is approved negotiations begin again in 2020, if TA not approved negotiations begin when? All parties must bargain in good faith, the process starts all over again.
Argument by Pro/Con/Fact debate not emotional name calling.
I'll say this for those who think the next step is a strike vote you are mistaken. Please do you own research and not listen to rah rah. (In my opinion the feds will not let a strike occur anyway) I hope everyone understands their own vote and not vote on emotion.
If TA is approved negotiations begin again in 2020, if TA not approved negotiations begin when? All parties must bargain in good faith, the process starts all over again.
Argument by Pro/Con/Fact debate not emotional name calling.
If ATW wanted to this whole thing could be wrapped up by the end of the year, but only if the powers wake up and realize that the game has changed, and that they now need to pony up.
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07-01-2018, 07:26 PM
#219
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Originally Posted by Inside DEENA
If this TA is voted down, then negotiations had better start immediately, as frankly ATW needs a better contract than this to both attract and keep people.
If ATW wanted to this whole thing could be wrapped up by the end of the year, but only if the powers wake up and realize that the game has changed, and that they now need to pony up.
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If ATW wanted to this whole thing could be wrapped up by the end of the year, but only if the powers wake up and realize that the game has changed, and that they now need to pony up.
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07-02-2018, 02:59 AM
#220
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Originally Posted by CVGair
If your goal is to strike, what path is quicker? Voting for TA or not? Are you sure about that?
However, voting NO will bring us back to the table much faster than voting YES, for the reason I stated above.
The company knows that the current situation is unsustainable. If the TA is voted in, they will wait and see if it works for what they need (it won’t, but we will wait and see).
If it is voted down, the company is left with either A: the status quo, which is not working, or B: negotiate something new that will work AND is palatable to the pilot group as a whole.
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