2018 new TA
07-02-2018, 03:26 AM
#221
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Originally Posted by Inside DEENA
Of course nobody wants to strike, that is a ‘weapon’ of last resort.
However, voting NO will bring us back to the table much faster than voting YES, for the reason I stated above.
The company knows that the current situation is unsustainable. If the TA is voted in, they will wait and see if it works for what they need (it won’t, but we will wait and see).
If it is voted down, the company is left with either A: the status quo, which is not working, or B: negotiate something new that will work AND is palatable to the pilot group as a whole.
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However, voting NO will bring us back to the table much faster than voting YES, for the reason I stated above.
The company knows that the current situation is unsustainable. If the TA is voted in, they will wait and see if it works for what they need (it won’t, but we will wait and see).
If it is voted down, the company is left with either A: the status quo, which is not working, or B: negotiate something new that will work AND is palatable to the pilot group as a whole.
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07-02-2018, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CVGair
voting no did not bring parties back to the table last time in an "unsustainable" environment but this time will be different? Can you present your premise? It took over two years last time.
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07-02-2018, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Day4mx
It will be several years before we are back at the table. For those saying the company needs it...why dont they give us everything we want now? My guess itll be 3-4 years before we see another ta come across.
3-4 years? If the staffing issues continue like they are (or get worse), we won’t be here as an airline in 3-4 years.
But if you feel like bending over for something substandard, well that’s your choice.
It took roughly a year because we were waiting for our mediator to make time. But there is no requirement to even have a mediator.
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07-02-2018, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Inside DEENA
Because BF thinks this is all that is needed.
3-4 years? If the staffing issues continue like they are (or get worse), we won’t be here as an airline in 3-4 years.
But if you feel like bending over for something substandard, well that’s your choice.
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3-4 years? If the staffing issues continue like they are (or get worse), we won’t be here as an airline in 3-4 years.
But if you feel like bending over for something substandard, well that’s your choice.
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Once union made deal to present TA, any "perceived" leverage was gone.
07-02-2018, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Day4mx
It will be several years before we are back at the table. For those saying the company needs it...why dont they give us everything we want now? My guess itll be 3-4 years before we see another ta come across.
07-02-2018, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CVGair
Naivety if you believe cd's (banks) or bf (big farms) have anything to do with it, hypothetical company is run by shrewd ruthless ivy league educated wall street lawyer, the best of the best, a Hypothetical company makes tens of millions a year and then made deal with another company with over 200 million in NOL, so in paper you make zilch, why was hypothetical company changed from corp? Hypothetically of course. If goal was to shut down company, then union should have never agreed to fo bonus, barn door is closed now, voting no just hurts yourself despite rah rah.
Once union made deal to present TA, any "perceived" leverage was gone.
Once union made deal to present TA, any "perceived" leverage was gone.
About the only thing in this environment that’ll help is either more money (hourly rates) or a no-interview flow (like AMR). We know UAL isn’t interested in the latter, so.....
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07-02-2018, 01:38 PM
#228
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Old ta or new ta, it isn't going to improve anything. Since it's not enough $$ in my pocket, nor improves our situation, I'd feel somewhat dim voting yes. Either way I really don't care at this point. A 1% raise is peanuts to us and peanut dust to them. It would be nice if some of you had nads big enough to put your foot down however.
07-02-2018, 04:19 PM
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Hypothetically Once the FO newhire bonus's were approved by the union it severed any chance try to shut the company down. Hypothetically The fight would have been lost but it would have been an awesome battle. Voting NO now is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Hypothetically the opportunity to fight was forfeited with the FO newhire bonus.
Of course this all refers to conjecture of Hypothetical Book Company, that is what is being discussed in fantasy world of fiction. Ideas to publish fiction of nothingness.
Of course this all refers to conjecture of Hypothetical Book Company, that is what is being discussed in fantasy world of fiction. Ideas to publish fiction of nothingness.
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