How is it going out there?
#301
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 524
So I just want to be clear....
You told me I should ask the union for answers prior to you getting answers from the union--even though I did get my answers from the union.
You told me I was wrong prior to you having the answers.
And now that you have the answers you aren't willing to share with everyone? Got it....
Answer me this one question then: did you ask the union if the System Board of Adjustment would be meeting in October as specified in the CBA?
You told me I should ask the union for answers prior to you getting answers from the union--even though I did get my answers from the union.
You told me I was wrong prior to you having the answers.
And now that you have the answers you aren't willing to share with everyone? Got it....
Answer me this one question then: did you ask the union if the System Board of Adjustment would be meeting in October as specified in the CBA?
Dude, give it a break. You’re only digging the hole deeper, and look foolish doing it.
#302
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 134
So I just want to be clear....
You told me I should ask the union for answers prior to you getting answers from the union--even though I did get my answers from the union.
You told me I was wrong prior to you having the answers.
And now that you have the answers you aren't willing to share with everyone? Got it....
Answer me this one question then: did you ask the union if the System Board of Adjustment would be meeting in October as specified in the CBA?
You told me I should ask the union for answers prior to you getting answers from the union--even though I did get my answers from the union.
You told me I was wrong prior to you having the answers.
And now that you have the answers you aren't willing to share with everyone? Got it....
Answer me this one question then: did you ask the union if the System Board of Adjustment would be meeting in October as specified in the CBA?
#303
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Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 42
But once again, I'm the guy that is wrong even though you haven't asked the union that question and I have.... sorry.
Have a good day.
#304
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 134
Got it. I'll just assume your post on page 26 (Post #254) was in reference to something else I had said... not what you quoted and responded to. Sorry I tried to twist your words when it's from a quote of yours.
But once again, I'm the guy that is wrong even though you haven't asked the union that question and I have.... sorry.
Have a good day.
But once again, I'm the guy that is wrong even though you haven't asked the union that question and I have.... sorry.
Have a good day.
#305
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 42
Setting the Record Straight(er)
If you saw the ALPA Fast Read tonight, you can probably guess its about me. I want to be clear, I'm not on here posting anonymously trying to incite fear. In fact, you can see from my previous posts where I have offered to give my phone number to those who disagree with my perspective on here in an attempt to explain our sides better. I have tried to work with ALPA on this and they have continued to misguide those effected... and to prove my point I will refer you back to the email from tonight.
Paragraph 3 of the email paints a great picture of what they've done with the grievance: they filed my issue form, filed a group grievance, and then "filed an appeal to the System Board of Adjustment (arbitration)."
Here's the problem: they filed the appeal to the review board, but they haven't enforced the appeal. Section 21.D in the CBA specifically says, "The Review Board will convene January, April, July, and October...". Call your rep or the Chairman and ask if they met in October as the CBA requires. The answer is they did not, but he left that part out of the email.
Rather than being honest in an attempt to "Set the Record Straight" the Chairman only delivered half of the facts. In a 5 paragraph email, only 2 sentences were devoted to actual facts of this case--everything else was fluff and identifying me. This has been the theme from the beginning of this process: obscuring information, not answering pertinent questions, and misguiding our colleagues.
I have talked to lots of pilots effected and each one has been given different excuses from various reps. Further, I have email proof of reps obscuring what information they have in an attempt to not represent the bonus. One rep was caught saying "I don't have this document so I can't answer your questions", but then emails surfaced of him forwarding the same document internally a month earlier to colleagues.
While the Chairman did list some facts, he failed to mention all the facts, which is what I've been saying from the beginning.
It's not even about the bonus anymore. It's about holding our representatives accountable. We think of the CBA as an agreement between us and the company. But it's also an agreement between us and ALPA; we pay dues and they represent us. I apologize that the chairman had to "take time from other important work to provide the facts and set the record straight." But ask yourself, did he tell you all the facts about this?
Paragraph 3 of the email paints a great picture of what they've done with the grievance: they filed my issue form, filed a group grievance, and then "filed an appeal to the System Board of Adjustment (arbitration)."
Here's the problem: they filed the appeal to the review board, but they haven't enforced the appeal. Section 21.D in the CBA specifically says, "The Review Board will convene January, April, July, and October...". Call your rep or the Chairman and ask if they met in October as the CBA requires. The answer is they did not, but he left that part out of the email.
Rather than being honest in an attempt to "Set the Record Straight" the Chairman only delivered half of the facts. In a 5 paragraph email, only 2 sentences were devoted to actual facts of this case--everything else was fluff and identifying me. This has been the theme from the beginning of this process: obscuring information, not answering pertinent questions, and misguiding our colleagues.
I have talked to lots of pilots effected and each one has been given different excuses from various reps. Further, I have email proof of reps obscuring what information they have in an attempt to not represent the bonus. One rep was caught saying "I don't have this document so I can't answer your questions", but then emails surfaced of him forwarding the same document internally a month earlier to colleagues.
While the Chairman did list some facts, he failed to mention all the facts, which is what I've been saying from the beginning.
It's not even about the bonus anymore. It's about holding our representatives accountable. We think of the CBA as an agreement between us and the company. But it's also an agreement between us and ALPA; we pay dues and they represent us. I apologize that the chairman had to "take time from other important work to provide the facts and set the record straight." But ask yourself, did he tell you all the facts about this?
#306
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 134
If you saw the ALPA Fast Read tonight, you can probably guess its about me. I want to be clear, I'm not on here posting anonymously trying to incite fear. In fact, you can see from my previous posts where I have offered to give my phone number to those who disagree with my perspective on here in an attempt to explain our sides better. I have tried to work with ALPA on this and they have continued to misguide those effected... and to prove my point I will refer you back to the email from tonight.
Paragraph 3 of the email paints a great picture of what they've done with the grievance: they filed my issue form, filed a group grievance, and then "filed an appeal to the System Board of Adjustment (arbitration)."
Here's the problem: they filed the appeal to the review board, but they haven't enforced the appeal. Section 21.D in the CBA specifically says, "The Review Board will convene January, April, July, and October...". Call your rep or the Chairman and ask if they met in October as the CBA requires. The answer is they did not, but he left that part out of the email.
Rather than being honest in an attempt to "Set the Record Straight" the Chairman only delivered half of the facts. In a 5 paragraph email, only 2 sentences were devoted to actual facts of this case--everything else was fluff and identifying me. This has been the theme from the beginning of this process: obscuring information, not answering pertinent questions, and misguiding our colleagues.
I have talked to lots of pilots effected and each one has been given different excuses from various reps. Further, I have email proof of reps obscuring what information they have in an attempt to not represent the bonus. One rep was caught saying "I don't have this document so I can't answer your questions", but then emails surfaced of him forwarding the same document internally a month earlier to colleagues.
While the Chairman did list some facts, he failed to mention all the facts, which is what I've been saying from the beginning.
It's not even about the bonus anymore. It's about holding our representatives accountable. We think of the CBA as an agreement between us and the company. But it's also an agreement between us and ALPA; we pay dues and they represent us. I apologize that the chairman had to "take time from other important work to provide the facts and set the record straight." But ask yourself, did he tell you all the facts about this?
Paragraph 3 of the email paints a great picture of what they've done with the grievance: they filed my issue form, filed a group grievance, and then "filed an appeal to the System Board of Adjustment (arbitration)."
Here's the problem: they filed the appeal to the review board, but they haven't enforced the appeal. Section 21.D in the CBA specifically says, "The Review Board will convene January, April, July, and October...". Call your rep or the Chairman and ask if they met in October as the CBA requires. The answer is they did not, but he left that part out of the email.
Rather than being honest in an attempt to "Set the Record Straight" the Chairman only delivered half of the facts. In a 5 paragraph email, only 2 sentences were devoted to actual facts of this case--everything else was fluff and identifying me. This has been the theme from the beginning of this process: obscuring information, not answering pertinent questions, and misguiding our colleagues.
I have talked to lots of pilots effected and each one has been given different excuses from various reps. Further, I have email proof of reps obscuring what information they have in an attempt to not represent the bonus. One rep was caught saying "I don't have this document so I can't answer your questions", but then emails surfaced of him forwarding the same document internally a month earlier to colleagues.
While the Chairman did list some facts, he failed to mention all the facts, which is what I've been saying from the beginning.
It's not even about the bonus anymore. It's about holding our representatives accountable. We think of the CBA as an agreement between us and the company. But it's also an agreement between us and ALPA; we pay dues and they represent us. I apologize that the chairman had to "take time from other important work to provide the facts and set the record straight." But ask yourself, did he tell you all the facts about this?
When I saw the Fast Read last night, I was glad that it was addressed but it's unfortunate that it had to be. From reading your posts on here in the past and listening to you in the crew room, I took your word on a lot of what you said and am ashamed to say that I angrily went after the reps and the committee chairmen as you directed us to do multiple times. I got a very different story when I went to them and that's why I have told you and everyone else to go to the source for factual information. Whenever we get information from them, you jump online or spout off in the crew room literally trying to get us to believe that their messages mean something completely different than what it does. Surprise surprise, you've done it again.
If you saw the ALPA Fast Read tonight, you can probably guess its about me. I want to be clear, I'm not on here posting anonymously trying to incite fear. In fact, you can see from my previous posts where I have offered to give my phone number to those who disagree with my perspective on here in an attempt to explain our sides better. I have tried to work with ALPA on this and they have continued to misguide those effected... and to prove my point I will refer you back to the email from tonight.
Paragraph 3 of the email paints a great picture of what they've done with the grievance: they filed my issue form, filed a group grievance, and then "filed an appeal to the System Board of Adjustment (arbitration)."
Here's the problem: they filed the appeal to the review board, but they haven't enforced the appeal. Section 21.D in the CBA specifically says, "The Review Board will convene January, April, July, and October...". Call your rep or the Chairman and ask if they met in October as the CBA requires. The answer is they did not, but he left that part out of the email.
Here's the problem: they filed the appeal to the review board, but they haven't enforced the appeal. Section 21.D in the CBA specifically says, "The Review Board will convene January, April, July, and October...". Call your rep or the Chairman and ask if they met in October as the CBA requires. The answer is they did not, but he left that part out of the email.
You then attacked the grievance chairman again and definitively claim that he is hiding the fact that they haven't held a meeting. Do you have any proof of this?
Rather than being honest in an attempt to "Set the Record Straight" the Chairman only delivered half of the facts. In a 5 paragraph email, only 2 sentences were devoted to actual facts of this case--everything else was fluff and identifying me. This has been the theme from the beginning of this process: obscuring information, not answering pertinent questions, and misguiding our colleagues.
I have talked to lots of pilots effected and each one has been given different excuses from various reps. Further, I have email proof of reps obscuring what information they have in an attempt to not represent the bonus. One rep was caught saying "I don't have this document so I can't answer your questions", but then emails surfaced of him forwarding the same document internally a month earlier to colleagues.
I have talked to lots of pilots effected and each one has been given different excuses from various reps. Further, I have email proof of reps obscuring what information they have in an attempt to not represent the bonus. One rep was caught saying "I don't have this document so I can't answer your questions", but then emails surfaced of him forwarding the same document internally a month earlier to colleagues.
While the Chairman did list some facts, he failed to mention all the facts, which is what I've been saying from the beginning.
It's not even about the bonus anymore. It's about holding our representatives accountable. We think of the CBA as an agreement between us and the company. But it's also an agreement between us and ALPA; we pay dues and they represent us. I apologize that the chairman had to "take time from other important work to provide the facts and set the record straight." But ask yourself, did he tell you all the facts about this?
It's not even about the bonus anymore. It's about holding our representatives accountable. We think of the CBA as an agreement between us and the company. But it's also an agreement between us and ALPA; we pay dues and they represent us. I apologize that the chairman had to "take time from other important work to provide the facts and set the record straight." But ask yourself, did he tell you all the facts about this?
I do think we have some good people working for us. It is sad that they had take time away from their other work to address the misinformation campaign that you keep trying to push. You benefit from all that work like the rest of us but then benefitted even more by being recalled after only a month of furlough. There are many other pilots here and at other airlines that would be glad to be in your position.
#307
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 134
Hey JJ158, go read your email. I hope you go thank union for getting you recalled, getting your bonus to be paid out this month, and for making sure that we have the generous rules in place for you to pick up your overtime 4 day trip that you start tomorrow!
Last edited by Omnislash; 11-04-2020 at 11:55 AM.
#308
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,948
#309
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 128
Picked up open time with people on furlough?