no they provide a new entry point for further negotiations from a extreme position of pilot weakness. Rule No. 1 of negotiations. Never reopen something from a position of weakness. Keep it closed.

Also those ‘temporary’ provisions will be a new lower starting point for imposed concessions when/if RAH and/or UAL take another trip through BK court.

The time to negotiate furlough contract language is during the up cycle when no one wants to spend negotiating capital on it. Not during the crisis.

In essence they lower the bar and make the profession less worthwhile on the other side of the crisis.

 

Or, this floats them through a temporary crisis, passenger demand is back up to 80% of where it was within a year, and nothing significant changes while at the same time protecting pilots from financial ruin. Republic pilots are still getting roughly the same pay per duty day, since they’re only making them work a fraction of what they were before, and I’m pretty sure United has a similar deal. Shoot, if the company wants to negotiate voluntary part time pilots when this is over, sign me up....

Let’s revisit this in a year.

 

...even in the rosy 80% case the concessions will be the new baseline that all contract costs will be negotiated from (regardless of whether they are labeled temporary now), driving down compensation long term. ZW’s contract still hasn’t recovered from the concessions in the 2000s even with automatic raises built in. The company will gladly cash the concessions checks the pilots write and promptly demand more.

Anyone who entered this profession at the peak only has themselves to blame if this situation causes financial ruin, especially with Uncle Sugar paying all to sit around since March.

Plan your life under the contract you signed up for. Save for furloughs. Have a plan B. Don’t expect those who did prepare to torpedo the profession on your behalf to save your poor planning.

 

Yes, we should expect people who have been on the property for 2-3 years to have already fully paid off student loans, no other debt, no kids, a spouse with a job, and have several years of living expenses in the bank.

 

I don't have all of those things but I certainly do not expect those that do have all of those things in order to give up their livelihoods to help me out.

I've been on property for exactly a year. Once Covid-19 hit I knew what was coming. We can't hold the company or the union responsible.


More should and could have been done in terms of furlough mitigation but since all of business is a numbers game, if the numbers don't work.... they don't work. Such is how a business is run.

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No concessions and those not furloughed should follow the contract exactly and think about those on the street. There is a reason for for every every word in the contract. Think about those on the street while following the contract to the letter, the company should do the same.

 

When my parents got married, they were 25. My dad was back from WWII, and in college.

They got married on a Saturday afternoon. After the reception, the best man took them to the bus station. They travelled from Kansas City, Kansas to Excelsior Springs, Mo. which was 40 miles away. They carried their luggage a few blocks to the Elms Hotel for their Honeymoon.

By the time they changed, and went downstairs for supper, the dining room was closed. They walked a few blocks away to the drug store that had a “lunch counter” and had BLT sandwiches.

They went back to the hotel for their wedding night. At 5 am Sunday they were awakened by jackhammers working in front of the hotel.

Early Monday they carried their luggage to the bus station, to ride back home. Got there in time for my dad to hitchhike to college for his late morning class.

Yes, a lot of people have had it hard.

 

10,000 years ago, my ancestors got married by clubbing some dude in a rival tribe and taking his wife in between hunting for mammoths and dying from malnutrition. A lot of people have had it hard.

The context of the time period matters, and in any other professional job these days it would be expected that the company would get you your wedding/reasonable honeymoon off if you told them about it during the interview.

 

Ahhh, yes. But would you expect to be awakened at 5 am by a jackhammer after your wedding night?!

 

Those airlines actually put forward agreements. An email we got said that we were making multiple proposals but the company didn't want to take on any more cost. That is a very different position that management at those other carriers took when having those discussions.