According to a few of my paychecks from this spring we already made concessions.

 

Good point...before CARES yes temporary concessions were made. Thankfully they were not renewed after the response of the pilot group.

 

Too bad the concessions couldn’t be rescinded once the CARES act was announced and it was apparent that the concessions that were designed to prevent furloughs were pointless because that is exactly what the CARES act was for. I was not happy about the concessions from day one but I was furious after I found out the were pointless and unnecessary.

 

Once again, I did what you should have. I reached out to the people that are actually working on this stuff for answers. When I get a response on it, I expect it to make sense and likely shed some light on your fallacies. Just like any time I have a question, I go to the source and experts on the matter. It's childish to air your dirty laundry on a forum by continuously providing misinformation and skewing or disregarding the actual facts. You are coming off as someone who has a personal issue with the people working on our behalf as well as your issue with the bonus grievance that has already been explained to all of us.

If you want actual answers, read your emails (almost every question you have asked has already been answered) and then call the people that are actually working on the issues. Just throwing out a contract section or idea that you don't really understand doesn't make you sound smart. It actually does the opposite. I have no desire to speak with you and listen to more of your fact-less theories. Cut the theatrics and grow up.

 

I was upset about that too and asked if we could get that back. It was explained to me that was done to prevent furloughs because that's where we were headed and the CARES act wasn't even being considered yet. At the time, I didn't love it, but I was happy to share the pain instead of furloughing at that time. I'm glad that there weren't any concessions to reduce our furlough number down from the original 180-190 that we were told. Hopefully we can get that number back to 0 soon!

 

The CARES act was signed into law on March 27. The concessions were for April and May, so we absolutely could and should have gotten that money back.

 

When was the LOA signed? I doubt we had a leg to stand on once the full details were announced of the CARES act even before the it was signed.

 

So if I understand correctly, you're telling me I'm wrong, but you are the one that has not received answers back to your questions?

I have received answers back on my questions and per an email from the Grievance Committee Chairman I received: "We do have a toll on timeliness agreed to with the company as the pandemic and expected furlough event have caused a strain on resources." Further, on a phone call, I was told that they will not be meeting per the contract in October (see my above reference).

Lastly, on the group grievance email from August 25 it reads: "... both the company and the association have agreed to suspend the timeliness provisions regarding filed issue forms so that the parties can focus on...."

They chose their words very carefully here. The only included "filed issue forms", but they didn't mention appealed grievances because that would create quite a few upset pilots. Further, they have not signed an LOA, which should be required since the CBA very clearly mandates timelines.

What other questions did you ask? As your previous posts have said, the union is very responsive and also very helpful. I'm sure you'll have answers back in the next day or two so please let me know what they say.... lol

 

Looks like March 21. There are articles discussing bailout money as early as March 16. I’m sure those with their ear to the ground on capitol hill heard rumblings before then.

 

FYI: here is a $ value on concessions I just threw together. Not perfect, but a general representation.