RabidW0mbat

yeah I’m curious to know what the difference is.

flightlessbirds

I believe it is when your starting position (ie MKE-CRJ-RC) is shrinking and requires some displacements. If you bid and get something else that you’d rather have, you have preferenced to displace out of that shrinking position. Thus it reduces the over-staffed-ness of that particular position.

vs an award which is just filling a vacant slot. Don’t quote me for certain though.

Flubber

They are similar, but if what you were awarded keeps someone junior to you from getting displaced, it becomes a Pref Displacement. It protects contractual moving rights, and I believe it came about a few years ago with the United shuffle and we had the big geographic shift in bases.

In any case, congrats to all who got (back) where they wanted, and let's hope we can get those who are being furloughed back as quickly as possible.

jj158

It seems like everyday there are news stories about airlines/unions coming to an agreement to mitigate furloughs. It seems like many unions have presented these mitigation efforts to the pilot group in the form of a vote to allow the majority to make a decision. Further, I've seen multiple articles/documents that outline proposals presented by both the union and the company for various airlines.

I have not seen any of these things from either our union or our company. All that we have heard is "we're working to mitigate furloughs", but we have not seen any tangible proposals from either the company or union. Has anyone heard anything about "the union proposed XYZ" or "the company proposed ABC"?

As someone who is getting furloughed, I think its a fair question to ask on behalf of myself--and others--what tangible proposals ALPA or the company have presented (or turned down) to try to help the 130ish people losing benefits, pay, etc.

RAHkid94

The union has said the company has refused to entertain any offer that could potentially cost them any money.

There is a ton of open time for both captains and FO’s next month.... In case there were any doubt if the company cared about you in the slightest.

jj158

Thanks for your reply. Can you point me towards the date of the email that the union said that? Everything I've read has been, "The company and the union are working tirelessly and we've never had a better relationship." But I very likely could have missed this given we get Pay Day Hotlines, ALPA fast reads, and a few other consistent emails from them.

RAHkid94

I think it was roughly August 15.

“The Company has openly stated it is not willing to take on any spending beyond what it absolutely needs to in order to ensure a viable future for our airline. This posed a major challenge for furlough mitigation, as many options for it do have a bit of a cost over furlough or voluntary furlough (which we already have contractual language for). Even though your negotiators tried to offset that risk and posed some solutions for a downside guarantee, there was no way to completely eliminate the possibility of additional cost.”

So ATW would rather junior man and make the non furloughed/downgraded pilots miserable than do the right thing and properly staff the airline. The amount of open time next month is a glaring Testament to that.

At least management will be able to afford cognac for their brady old fashioneds, guac for their chipotle and ranch for their cheese curds while the rest of us lose our houses and our cars in the mean time.

RabidW0mbat

it sucks from a pilot perspective, no doubt, but what would you have them do? Management’s job is to set up the company for long term viability. The fact remains that’s it’s cheaper to pay open time / JM pay vs benefits & MMG for the 138 furloughed pilots. I’m not saying it’s right, absolutely it’s not, but from a purely business perspective, what would you have them do?

Escargot

Why does keeping pilots ready for recovery have to be seen strictly as a cost? Shouldn't it be an investment in the future of the company, along the lines of new airframes?

idlethrust

What new airframes ?
Everyone got their panties wet thinking we were getting g7 700s. That’s not going to happen. G7 is adding flying and staying in the game .
The entire 700 thing is a joke , not happening now .
Back to the usual old tired worm out, breakdown at out stations beat up 200s.
The more I fly that thing the more I don’t like it . It’s a pos .But hey, atleast we have a job I guess, for now anyways.
The 700s were going to be the saving grace for this Co but now who knows what will happen.