Originally Posted by TheGodfather

Don’t know why having a coffee cup and drinking to oppose the mask policy is “dying on a hill”. It’s a loophole and exploit to the broad definitions of the mask policy.

Unlike hats, tattoos, and etc that explicitly state it in the policy, taking off your mask to drink and eating is allowed. No where in the policy does it talk about duration nor specific examples.

People who are dying on hill are those stating that only a short duration can your mask be off if you’re doing those activities.

Originally Posted by WhiskyWhisky

You all have TOTALLY, TOTALLY missed the point of the coffee cup that keeps being brought up as a suggestion one is using it to circumvent the mask requirements. That wasn't the intent or pupose of the suggestion. The idea behind the coffee cup is to protect yourself, and my fellow coworkers from the Narkers that are rampant in the system now. You have people taking photos of your every move, ready to catch you off guard at any moment. The minute your mask is removed, whether temporary or for another biological reason, someone is going to photograph you and send it in for enforcement. However, the coffee cup in hand greatly reduces your chances of disciplinary action used against you. The suggestion is an aid to combat negative enforcement by Narkers who tend to be politically motivated individuals. The mask isnt about safety, it is about compliance now, we all know it. The science proves it, masks dont do squat. So if you want to combat negative enforcement in a now ultra competitive job market, carry the coffe cup. The intelligent ones knew this was the reason it was suggested in the 1st place, the children took it as a method of cicumventing the system. Nark protection is THE KEY.

Originally Posted by pangolin

This is about the stupidest mask argument I’ve ever heard. It’s guys trying to find loopholes that have the issue. Those and the intractable people who just plain refuse because you know “freedom”. Both attitudes are wrong. You show that attitude in my cockpit and you’ll find yourself off the trip. You can explain to the chief pilot why you refuse the mask. It’s a stupid way to die.

People who try to find loopholes are people who think the rules apply but just not to them. Those people have a serious issue as well and shouldn’t be anywhere near an airliner.

Originally Posted by TheGodfather

Instead of using a actual counter argument, you use an Ad hominem and go off a tangent. I've never mention about being "freedom" nor do our care about anyone's politics. Nor do I care about this subject. I'm just stating what's in the policy and what people are allowed and not allowed to do.

And regardless of someone's attitude towards a policy, you can't just kick someone off a trip, when clearly within the parameters of the policy. There's a difference between refusal and following within the policy. Sure, if I speak to Chief Pilot, if I'm drinking my coffee, I would ask him Sir, Can you please read me the policy? Can you state where in the policy, it tells me how long I must have mask off, if I'm partaking in drink? And Chief Pilot would side with me because he knows I'm right.

Originally Posted by dremaldent

I mean depends on how long the mask is off. It can take me half an hour to an hour to finish a cup of coffee. If I'm walking around the airport with coffee in my hand can I leave it off for the hour it takes ? I'd argue that it is not permissible to do so and that an ACP would rule against a pilot doing so since the spirit of the rule is to wear the masks at any time possible.

Originally Posted by TheGodfather

Instead of using a actual counter argument, you use an Ad hominem and go off a tangent. I've never mention about being "freedom" nor do our care about anyone's politics. Nor do I care about this subject. I'm just stating what's in the policy and what people are allowed and not allowed to do.

And regardless of someone's attitude towards a policy, you can't just kick someone off a trip, when clearly within the parameters of the policy. There's a difference between refusal and following within the policy. Sure, if I speak to Chief Pilot, if I'm drinking my coffee, I would ask him Sir, Can you please read me the policy? Can you state where in the policy, it tells me how long I must have mask off, if I'm partaking in drink? And Chief Pilot would side with me because he knows I'm right.

Originally Posted by GA2Jets

If you just follow the rules there is nothing to be protected against. If you only take off your mask in public temporarily to eat or drink then fine. But wandering around with your mask off even if with coffee is quite clearly wrong. Just wear the mask and you won't get in trouble. It's really, truly, honest to God not that hard.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon

I’m worried about the continued survival of our company when we cannot follow the most basic requests of our mainline partner.