StuckOnReserve

AA didn't cut back AW's block hours, AW told AA they couldn't fly as much. There is a difference.

42ER

I think the majority are liking the TA, that’s why there’s not too much discussion here.

Imapylot

I like the pay scale but I hate a lot of other things. I hate the (possible) snap back. I hate how many things are tied to PBS.

42ER

i hear you. Does it help that the wholly owned also have snap back in their current contract?

Imapylot

Possibly. Do you know the language or terms of their snap back? Is it possible that ours negates theirs? I’ll try to explain my question. Ours basically says we can’t snap back unless they snap back first. (Correct me if I’m wrong on that.) If theirs says they can’t snap back unless we snap back first then that makes it an impossible loop of events and nobody will ever snap back (until new contract language states otherwise).

Imapylot

The 401(k) section will be a concession for most pilots. Under current language the company contributes 8% (3% default plus 5% as long as you contribute 9% on your own). New language would have the company contributing a max of 6% (for only the most senior pilots). I currently max out my employee contributions every year so the new language puts less money into my 401(k) because my part can’t get any higher and the company will be contributing less.

Imapylot

I can absolutely see why people would vote yes but I won’t vote yes on even one single concession. I also won’t vote yes on the basis of the PBS carrot being dangled in front of me. We essentially don’t ever have to vote yes on PBS but if we don’t vote yes on PBS then we don’t get the full value of the contract. I’m not saying I’m pro or anti PBS but I am absolutely against the idea of parts of the contract being withheld until we vote yes on PBS. That’s the sort of thing you do to a toddler to get them to eat their vegetables. When you do it to an entire pilot group it’s unprofessional and insulting.

Imapylot

Also, the “full language” document that has been made available online is only the language of items that have supposedly changed. It’s not the actual full contract. The full contract is hundreds of pages, not 19. How are we supposed to vote on a contract that we’ve only seen a small fraction of? I understand that we have theoretically seen the changes and everything else should be the same but I don’t want to take the union’s word for it nor the company’s. Even if they unintentionally left something out of the 19 page document or something accidentally got changed somewhere else, that could potentially be a big deal. I’ve been doing the airline thing for a while and I’ve never voted on a contract where I haven’t been able to see every single word of that contract before I voted. The way this one is being presented is sloppy at best and deceitful at worst. I get bad vibes from this.

Imapylot

See upa23.com for an example of how this could have been presented. Instead of even half of what that site has, we get a 4 page summary, a 19 page summary, and 6 FAQs (5 about PBS and 1 about forced upgrades).

42ER

I don’t have all the answers you’re asking. I think it’d be better for you to reach out to your rep.
In the age of people (including me) skipping all the terms and conditions before signing up any account, I’m not surprised 19 page is what we got.