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fosters 03-23-2012 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by theHub (Post 1156758)
We've noticed many of you guys are single-engine taxiing now. What brought on that change? Last time fuel was high you still would taxi on both engines.

I don't SE taxi unless it's in CLT/LGA or there is a long line, really no point. Most times I start 'em both then shut one down if I need to. I wonder what others are doing?

SE taxi in PHL is stupid, you only save the time from the ramp to the 27R crossing then you have to be turning it. That's like 3 minutes tops, maybe 3 gals of gas?

727574drvr 03-24-2012 08:06 AM

fosters just sent you a PM

727574drvr 03-24-2012 08:40 AM

You guys make some interesting points, and while I have not had the pleasure of flying the CRJ, on the Boeings, we always taxi out with all turning, and on taxi in with shut one down. Also, at altitude, if LRC is FL370 and .78, if we fly FL350 and .82 to .84, we beat the snot out of the LRC Flight Plan. I realize this may seem like apples and oranges, but I think the wing sweep on your A/C is about the same as the Boeings; 37 degrees (?). FWIW, IMHO. Happy Motoring!

fosters 03-24-2012 09:36 AM

How did you use my numbers? You averaged a 10 min taxi over the entire fleet for a year and added more savings for taxi in. You can't use non-averaged #'s as an average. If you are going to do that you have to use 6 mins as that is the average taxi out. Then you said 5:01 on two engines saves $3.8 mil which was your original math, yet that was for a 10 min taxi plus additional taxi in savings.

You're not being consistent.

I did change them. That is why I posted above and questioned your 3.8 mil savings.

Regardless, getting further away from the point, there is a time and place for SE taxi.

Look at going from 250 to 300 on the flight plan, maybe 100-200# savings in a typical flight. 30# of savings from taxiing. 130-230# of fuel? You are going to be running out of gas by not going econ and not SE taxiing? Not saying you should not do it, but let's cut this dramatic crap. People going balls to the wall aren't anywhere near in danger of flaming out the engines because of it.

saab2000 03-24-2012 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by DLAJ77 (Post 1157254)
Just as a heads up YOU dont single engine taxi, your captain does and he or she will decide when they want to.

Thank you for pointing this out. Telling someone they need to 'practice' this is :eek:

There are a lot of factors in play.

S/E taxi when appropriate but not when not. I'm not interested in showing up at the runway not ready to go because the F/O feels I need 'practice' in how to operate an airplane I have close to 7000 hours flying.

fosters 03-24-2012 10:59 AM

Now you are making things up. Going from 250 to 320 will not double your burn on that flight unless you keep flaps and gear down. Maybe 100#-200# extra.

fosters 03-24-2012 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 1157298)
So after declaring min fuel, did YOU state clearly and assertively "I am not comfortable flying at 320 knots with our minimum fuel situation. I feel that is is safer and prudent to slow down and significantly reduce our fuel consumption."

If so, what was the response? This story sounds fishy. I don't know of any captain here (even the bad ones) who would flat out say "NO" to that.

If this guy truly is a ground instructor I'm guessing this story was fabricated. Also with an alt you'd be planned to land at well over 2900#. So many things not adding up here.

detpilot 03-24-2012 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 1157303)
If this guy truly is a ground instructor I'm guessing this story was fabricated. Also with an alt you'd be planned to land at well over 2900#. So many things not adding up here.

Quite frankly, his grammar has me suspicious of the idea that he is a ground instructor. And I have been posting from a cell phone!

el jefe 03-24-2012 11:36 AM

So it was the Capt's last leg before going home, flying fast to make a commute. I am ok with flying a high speed last leg, but why not ask for "Capt's fuel" while still on the ground so you can burn/go fast as much as you want?

Seems like we have been tankering the **** out of certain legs and landing min fuel on others.

Cessnan1315efw 03-24-2012 12:12 PM

is there a way to see your seniority number or see the seniority list for each base somewhere in crew self service?


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