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Old 07-07-2016 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
Maybe those 10 900s from the mystery buyer are ours after all. Maybe this is what they mean by "we will start to see the plan coming together"

Reducing the fleet IS the plan IMO. AWAC is in business to make money obviously, and with the ever worsening shortage at the regionals, parking airplanes is probably their best option. For the pilots, it's not the move we all want in terms of taking on new airplanes and grow. Unfortunately the owners don't care about our feelings and only care about the bottom line.
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Old 07-07-2016 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
Reducing the fleet IS the plan IMO. AWAC is in business to make money obviously, and with the ever worsening shortage at the regionals, parking airplanes is probably their best option. For the pilots, it's not the move we all want in terms of taking on new airplanes and grow. Unfortunately the owners don't care about our feelings and only care about the bottom line.
Of course they are in the business of making money. Because they are a business. This doesn't mean they are or are not getting new planes at some point. The bottom line is they don't care about us, and I don't care about them. I hope to get out of here regardless of what AWAC's plans are.
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Old 07-07-2016 | 09:11 PM
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Unfortunately I don't think we could staff those 900s. We're around 650 active pilots right now. The shrinkage is matching attrition pretty well.
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Old 07-08-2016 | 05:49 AM
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If we were to get new planes (brand new, new to us..) it's not going to happen overnight unless they are 200's. That being said. How do we staff these planes. Just because we have "new planes" doesn't mean people will all of a sudden start showing up to class. So how does the dynamic change here at AWAC. Will upgrade time reduce if people start coming here to chase a quick upgrade if new airframes come on property. Is it worth it to stay her to be on the front end of a hypothetical wave or get out and chase a quick upgrade somewhere else if one doesn't have much time invested here yet.
Qol speaks for something but pic makes a good argument as well.
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Old 07-08-2016 | 06:55 AM
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Coming here knowing you'd have a job longer than 20 months couldn't hurt either. But nevermind all that, the insurance is great and all the airplanes have brand new leather seats!
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Old 07-08-2016 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by whoooooooocares
If we were to get new planes (brand new, new to us..) it's not going to happen overnight unless they are 200's. That being said. How do we staff these planes. Just because we have "new planes" doesn't mean people will all of a sudden start showing up to class. So how does the dynamic change here at AWAC. Will upgrade time reduce if people start coming here to chase a quick upgrade if new airframes come on property. Is it worth it to stay her to be on the front end of a hypothetical wave or get out and chase a quick upgrade somewhere else if one doesn't have much time invested here yet.
Qol speaks for something but pic makes a good argument as well.
You never know what new airplanes, a new contract and extended flying could do for hiring numbers. This is why Skywest has month after month after month, 2 classes with 50+ people in it.
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Old 07-08-2016 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
You never know what new airplanes, a new contract and extended flying could do for hiring numbers. This is why Skywest has month after month after month, 2 classes with 50+ people in it.
Looks like somebody has an agenda to try and spin the crappy ZW situation into a positive, rumor fueled, hope and change pipe dream? This guy must be a management stooge or lawyer that thinks Pilots are stupid...... Pilots leaving, Planes leaving, upper management leaving, old fleet with the highest crew cost in the industry, other RJ operators offering massive signing bonuses to fly new aircraft with much faster upgrades etc, Yeah, your rumors are going to convince a lot of Pilots to stay right? What a joke........
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Old 07-08-2016 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tpabayflyer
Looks like somebody has an agenda to try and spin the crappy ZW situation into a positive, rumor fueled, hope and change pipe dream? This guy must be a management stooge or lawyer that thinks Pilots are stupid...... Pilots leaving, Planes leaving, upper management leaving, old fleet with the highest crew cost in the industry, other RJ operators offering massive signing bonuses to fly new aircraft with much faster upgrades etc, Yeah, your rumors are going to convince a lot of Pilots to stay right? What a joke........


Or has enough understanding of the history of ZW. Everything is silent and rumors very few until the minute a big announcement is made. That's the way the company wants it and they are willing to take it on the chin with regards to recruiting and manning in the mean time. It's up to the individual prospective pilot to decide if that's worth the hassle.


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Old 07-08-2016 | 03:27 PM
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Anyone notice that they added an aircraft type to the last bid packet that wasn't there in previous packets? Thoughts?
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Old 07-08-2016 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by akulahunter
Anyone notice that they added an aircraft type to the last bid packet that wasn't there in previous packets? Thoughts?
No I didn't notice...of course I forgot to bid and only looked at the bid power portion of the pack....where did you see the A/C type? That is usually only seen in the permanent bid section.
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