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Old 09-14-2016 | 08:45 AM
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Thanks for the insight guys. I live in Norfolk, and my wife has a good job here, so we're not moving for the time being. I'm balancing QOL (living in base) vs. other factors (significantly higher pay, more certain future, etc.) at various regionals.
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Old 09-14-2016 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
This new pay scale for the WO will be the death of AWAC. They are trying to attract AWAC pilots to come and work for Envoy and PDT.



$55,000 first year pay, and $130,000 in the first three years.


Correct me if I'm wrong. $55K first year and $130K in the first three years? Before taxes? This results in years 2 And 3 ta $37.5K à year. So great first year pay and then a paycut?
What am I not seeing here?
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Old 09-14-2016 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Junkyard Dog
I've noticed many PDT pilots hanging out in the crew rooms a lot. I guess they don't fly much.


I don't have any issue with that. But I do have issues when they just come in and sprawl out on the couches not leaving any room for anyone else
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Old 09-14-2016 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by IFLYACRJ
Correct me if I'm wrong. $55K first year and $130K in the first three years? Before taxes? This results in years 2 And 3 ta $37.5K à year. So great first year pay and then a paycut?
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That was a typo. It is $170,000 in the first three years.

And yes, all pay is before taxes. But, you also get per diem, which is not counted in any of these. You also get $3,000 in hotels.
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Old 09-14-2016 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
That was a typo. It is $170,000 in the first three years.

And yes, all pay is before taxes. But, you also get per diem, which is not counted in any of these. You also get $3,000 in hotels.


Per diem is meal reimbursement and not income if I can recall correctly
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Old 09-14-2016 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by highflyer0685
It blows my mind how we have any FOs left. If I were still an FO I'd be long gone by now, even now as a junior CA it's tempting to abandon this sinking ship. Wonder how many FOs will leave now with these new pay rates at the WO?? This company better do something quick or it'll be too late
Exactly. I'm down to my last 3 trips here before moving on. Cannot F'n wait. Resignation will be sent to ole MP next week 👍🏻 I love how Mike always says "we just aren't to that point yet" in terms of bonuses, commuter hotels, ya know damn near every single thing every other regional airline in this country is doing. Lmao

I hope whatever WO announcement this is helps us in negotiations, but I honestly don't know if they are actually going to get a deal done (or even care). It doesn't seem to me, to be that hard to show "good faith" to the mediator during these monthly sessions.
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Old 09-14-2016 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by IFLYACRJ
Per diem is meal reimbursement and not income if I can recall correctly
I agree. That is why it is not counted in that total.

Republic, however, counts per diem and a bunch of other benefits as a part of their "salary". It is very misleading.
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Old 09-14-2016 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
I agree. That is why it is not counted in that total.

Republic, however, counts per diem and a bunch of other benefits as a part of their "salary". It is very misleading.
Money in your pocket is money in your pocket. Just because some is tax free and designated for a certain purpose, it still goes into your bottom line.
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Old 09-14-2016 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
Money in your pocket is money in your pocket. Just because some is tax free and designated for a certain purpose, it still goes into your bottom line.
Per diem is there to make you whole for meals on the road, not to be considered as part of your salary. There is a big difference. I understand what you're saying but in principle I think the two should be very separate.
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Old 09-14-2016 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
You guys should be nicer to PSA pilots, since you will likely be stapled to the bottom of their list soon enough.

Sharing crew rooms is a lot like sharing jump seats. No one wins once you start that war.
That's cute. I think I'll start storing stuff in the Clt crew room- a week old burrito sounds nice.
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