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Old 09-08-2017 | 10:06 AM
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For the record my personal # was $280 plus 4% and 4%. When comparing profit sharing this is not only a fair # it is a # the company can easily pay. However, like in the past our union decided pattern bargening requires the big 4 to do all the heavy lifting and for us to just trail along.
How about SLI:
Well I could almost guarantee the first VX pilots will be slotted somewhere between 2002 and 2006. This award will be a win for the very senior at AS and a huge win for the 50-80 percentile of the VX pilots, as the will have a monopoly of the near term upgrades. For the bottom 20% at both companies it will be just a neutral award. To be honest I would guess this group would be much more of a revolving door as these pilots leave for better careers and jobs that were just pipe dreams only a few years ago. Check back in a year... I would bet it will be very close
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Old 09-08-2017 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
You are all really really slow if you think an anonymous post will have any bearing on our arbitrated award. I wrote the same thing 12 mos ago, the same number$, the same guess with regard to scope. I can tell you, I can't predict the future but I do have common sense. Nothing any of us write will have any bearing on this award. This award was completed 12 mos ago when LUV, DAL, and UAL got their contracts. It was only solidified by HAL and AMR getting their contracts. You must believe in unicorns and Santa Clause too. Go bury your head in the sand for the next 52 days then you can be surprised by the award... shocked, astounded, amazed. It really isn't hard math. But remember we only got the #s we got because no one posted the football codes on an anonymous board.
These are the same people that have said "Trust The Air Group, they made us a promise on SCOPE." The same Company that furloughed when ALPA gave them multiple options to mitigate the total furloughed. The same company that forced based tons of people to ANC when again the Union provided solutions to not move a single pilot. I just hope now in better times that the Arbitrator is reasonable and sticks it to Angle Lake - you guys deserve it. If this does happen you all should start immediate recalls of LEC and MEC and get rid of these Koolaide Drinkers.

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Old 09-08-2017 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
I can tell you, I can't predict the future but I do have common sense.
Not really
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Old 09-08-2017 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
You are all really really slow if you think an anonymous post will have any bearing on our arbitrated award. I wrote the same thing 12 mos ago, the same number$, the same guess with regard to scope. I can tell you, I can't predict the future but I do have common sense. Nothing any of us write will have any bearing on this award. This award was completed 12 mos ago when LUV, DAL, and UAL got their contracts. It was only solidified by HAL and AMR getting their contracts. You must believe in unicorns and Santa Clause too. Go bury your head in the sand for the next 52 days then you can be surprised by the award... shocked, astounded, amazed. It really isn't hard math. But remember we only got the #s we got because no one posted the football codes on an anonymous board.
How about this, why give them ANY potential ammo right now...
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Old 09-08-2017 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
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I respect your opinion. I think pretending we are at death com 5 and honestly believing that something that is written on an anonymous board will be used in any fashion in our arbitration calls into question your common sense. Maybe you are this naive but "come on man", you maybe shy but tell me you are capable of rational thought. In your world the Jets are likely to win the Super Bowl this year. So check back in 52 days on the contract and about a year on the SLI. Tell me about my common sense then.

1,000-1: Las Vegas gives Jets' worst Super Bowl odds ever

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Old 09-08-2017 | 04:03 PM
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Just wait til Oct 29. Then let the beotching sessions begin. That's all
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Old 09-08-2017 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
I think pretending we are at death com 5
There's somebody who doesn't remember the 80s.

I think the term you're looking for is "DEFCON".
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Old 09-08-2017 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
I respect your opinion. I think pretending we are at death com 5 and honestly believing that something that is written on an anonymous board will be used in any fashion in our arbitration calls into question your common sense.

"Death com 5." Is that like a Rom Com (Romantic Comedy) but with with a lot of Death (to warrant a level 5)? It sounds like a very scary movie.
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Old 09-08-2017 | 09:45 PM
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DEFCON 5 is the lowest state of alert, ie normal routine conditions.

I think the analogy you're looking for is DEFCON 1.
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Old 09-09-2017 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
DEFCON 5 is the lowest state of alert, ie normal routine conditions.

I think the analogy you're looking for is DEFCON 1.
Spot On.

Defense Condition 5 (DEFCON 5) is normal. The country is typically there.

DEFCON 4 is periodically where there are threats and abnormal issues.

DEFCON 3 is after events like 9/11.

DEFCON 2 has only been invoked across all of the US defenses during the Cuban Missile Crisis when nuclear war was likely.

DEFCON 1 has never been invoked across all the US defenses. It would be used for WWIII or if sustained attacks and bombings of US mainland cities were happening.
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