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11-18-2017 | 07:05 AM

#11

Klsytakesit

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It is not a rudderless ship...none of us are on their ship(excluding the troll). Their ship has nothing to do with being in the airline business. Their ship is a boutique investment firm. It has been sailing the same course for at least 20 years. Straight and true. It’s purpose is to deliver signifigant returns to those aboard...Make no mistake....No one that actually produces the profits is invited aboard. The Firm spends more on marketing/employee mis-information and lawyers then they do on critical operational items.
In doing so they have created a very loyal work force with significantly depressed expectations....That is the “Secret Sauce” of Alaska Airlines. If you bother to scratch the surface, the only “culture” you will find will be similar to the fine coating of mold that grows on everything in King County....Certainly come here for a job...But dont make a comparison between this job and a job at an airline company...It will help if you depress your expectations before you apply.......If you are already here and overly vested in the myth of the PNW and staying then relax. Nothing has changed in the last 25 years and it certainly wont change in the next 25 years...

11-18-2017 | 01:26 PM

#12

WutFace

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Originally Posted by EA CO AS

I'm unsure how nearly 8% growth annual projected is a "ship without a rudder."

8%?? Where is the number coming from? The delivery schedule sure doesn't correlate with this number.

So unless you're being funny with the numbers by including Horizon in those figures, 8% is just a fantasy.

And if you start parking Airbuses, then you're just plain lying.

11-18-2017 | 03:59 PM

#13

4andCounting

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From: A320

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Originally Posted by EA CO AS

I'm unsure how nearly 8% growth annual projected is a "ship without a rudder." And why get into the costly "arms race" of a maintaining dedicated sub-fleet chasing after premium transcons against companies like AA, UA, and DL that benefit from huge corporate agreements? The course AS is plotting isn't as high-yield on a per-customer basis, but it's a MUCH bigger market segment they're going after in transcons.

But part of that is keeping costs low to remain competitive when AA/DL/UA/B6 try to fight with fares that trash yields for everyone.

AS took a knee this past quarter due to the QX fiasco, definitely - but barring that, I doubt there'd be anywhere near the hand-wringing that appears to be going on right now. And lest we forget, PBP is STILL projecting a payout in the 7.5 to 8% range; it may seem low since we've been spoiled by record payouts of over 9% for the past 5 years, but it's still healthy.

Take this one milestone at a time and you'll see things improving. QX is already righting their ship. 12/31 is the last day for Elevate. Then SOC in January, and single PSS on 4/25/18. Along the way, you see the first Airbus leave the paint shop in AS livery, followed by everything in the fleet getting retrofitted into the new interiors.

It's going to be an interesting ride, and I think, a very rewarding one.

OMG. You are too funny. If you want to try and send marketing folks out to mitigate the bad press your pilots are putting out there and hurting your recruiting efforts, you should start with not quoting company email talking points. Perhaps report back to your overlords how unhappy we are and how dissapointed we are our managment group. No-one takes you seriously. Please stop embarrassing yourself and frankly the rest of us that are actually Air Group Pilots.

For God's sake, if you are going to pretend to be a pilot, at least try and talk like one.

11-18-2017 | 05:08 PM

#14

EA CO AS

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Originally Posted by 4andCounting

For God's sake, if you are going to pretend to be a pilot, at least try and talk like one.

Who said I was a pilot, or even pretending to be one? This is a public forum and anyone can join. I'm simply sharing my opinion. If it differs from yours, great - tell me why you believe I'm wrong and we can discuss it.

Or, you and others can go back to saying LALALALAICANTHEARYOULALALALA and calling me "troll," but that doesn't mean what I'm saying is wrong merely because you happen to not want to hear it.

11-19-2017 | 03:14 AM

#15

Pogey Bait

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Originally Posted by EA CO AS

Well there is your answer............this is actually quite pathetic.

11-19-2017 | 05:09 AM

#16

4andCounting

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Originally Posted by EA CO AS

Gas Lamping is not an opinion. Giving your B.S. a forum of response is allowing you a path to continue the spread of crafted lies and misinformation. The Alaska management group made this bed. Your own fearless leader testified in the arbitration that you were willing to threaten the relationship with your pilots to maintain your cost advantage. Enjoy the results. We will be out in the world, in every airport, in every hotel, on every van, on this site and at job fairs telling the truth of what it is actually like working for this company. We don't have to tell them to not apply here, they will see the strife you have caused. They will see the God awful schedules, the below standard living and pay conditions, the lack of job protections and the absence of commitment to the employees that enrich them and their share holders. They will hear of the operational collapses, the lack of proper staffing and resources, the safety programs that are disgarded for the sake of ontime, the plan that is spoken of but never revealed and obviously is not working.

The quality applicants will flee, the left overs will only fuel the collapse of the crafted persona you wish to maintain to the outside world.

I will not engage you, and I encourage other to do the same.

11-19-2017 | 09:42 AM

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IFlyNFish

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Greedy Bastages. 😂

11-19-2017 | 10:18 AM

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rickair7777

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Originally Posted by EA CO AS

MODERATOR INPUT: Anyone can participate, but if you're injecting yourself into pilot business you need to conduct yourself like the guest that you are and be clear about what exactly you are.

11-19-2017 | 10:35 AM

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ForeverJunior

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

moderator input: Anyone can participate, but if you're injecting yourself into pilot business you need to conduct yourself like the guest that you are and be clear about what exactly you are.

Thank you!!

11-19-2017 | 12:55 PM

#20

IFlyNFish

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EA CO AS, at least identify your roll.

Why don't most share your "facts"?....... because history hasn't been good to this pilot group with the way B squared has treated labor groups, and as BM stated, they are happy to have bad relations. Hope is all speculative and forward looking in a very competitive market, with management more concerned about satisfying Wall St than being aggressive in an unprecedented growth market. Reading the arbitration hearings tells a much different story than yours, it's not all rainbows and butterflies, and the demise of QX is an example of how things are going and how much their egos can hurt AG.

If our speculative "growth" is tied to our regional feed, it's not looking promising. More likely, future growth will be tied to the next merger.

As one person has said... lay off the "Hope-ium".