I’m confused.. whose airbuses?

Hey Whackjob -

You won't do it but how about you post your W2 pre acquisition and one post purchase. Put your money where your mouth is. Mr. "downgraded thanks to Gary."

I've actually flown with many level headed AT guys who acknowledge how much better off they are.

Suppose the American thing is true and they buy the existing owned airbuses and assume lessee responsibilities for the leased airbii, do the pilots go with them or are we chained to the sinking ss alaska? Has anything like that occurred ever?

It's occurred plenty of times. Pan Am pilots who were on the right a/c went with their planes to Delta and United when Delta bought the Atlantic routes/NE Shuttle and United bought the Pacific routes.

That said, it doesn't always happen. Some airlines have it in their PWA but I don't know if the Alaska one does. I'd expect that to be a lower priority than scope would have been and I understand there's not a whisper of scope in there.

If they do, they just have to sell it to some holding company that isn't an airline for a day before they go to the real intended buyer. That separates the pilots from the aircraft.

You believe what pilots say :eek: I doubt the airbus classes Are stopping at is hiring 400+ this year split about 50/50

Is that crickets I'm hearing?

I like the challenge--if it's not accepted, the truth will be obvious.

Sure, I’ll get right on posting personal information on the internet. Are you high?

First of all, I could care less if you believe that I took a 20-25% pay cut through the forced downgrade or not. If you don’t believe that then you’re just arrogant and ill informed.

GMAFB

Sure. The “truth” is obvious. It’s obvious that you’re too arrogant to accept the fact that someone could have taken a pay cut due to a downgrade. There’s the “truth” for you....

You were not HIRED, you were ACQUIRED.

Be grateful.

Not too arrogant. Just to smart to accept your BS as the truth. I'd even accept you posting your gross income from 2011 and compare it to your gross income from your 1st year after transition.

I'm not arrogant--just not willing to put up with your unsubstantiated whining.

SWA buyout?
 

Nobody has a crystal ball.

Anyone’s company can go bankrupt.

Anyone’s company can be merged or acquired.

Anyone’s domicile can be downsized or closed.

Anyone’s seniority list can be impacted by management decisions.

Anyone can be furloughed, and then furloughed again.

Anyone can ride the wave to the top, only to have the airline collapse and find themselves starting over.

No airline is immune. None of us was prescient in our choice of airlines.

This business has speed bumps. If you think you’ll make it through a 40 year career without hitting any, you had best study a little history.

Wisdom....

Amen Zap...

yes... all very true. This is the business we have chosen. But when your little airline is about to go bankrupt, and you are acquired by the most the stable, profitable airline arguably in the history of commercial aviation, just shut the hell up and acknowledge your good fortune.

I guess I was too literal for you. I obviously meant post your numbers, not the actual document. You didn't pass the tool test.

I made $ 250K last year as an FO, not including profit sharing, per diem or B fund. You have the stones to tell us what you made as a captain your last year at AT ?

SWA buyout?
 

Laughing right in the face of the gods of aviation misfortune is never a good idea. Was this your first airline?

I suspect the guys at Eastern, PanAm, TWA and the furloughees from United, American, and Delta all felt equally invincible.

Pride goeth before a fall.


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What airlines are you speaking of?

I think he's referring to VX. Anyone can go out of business or go bankrupt but VX was rapidly approaching top of one of those lists. Don't hate me. I don't work for eskimo anymore.

It's a SWA guy addressing a former AirTran SWA guy. He's talking about AirTran.

AirTran was pulling in record profits at the time. Bankruptcy wasn’t even a minute possibility.

Don’t worry. What happened to us at AirTran can only happen if your pilot group has no spine. Just stand up for yourselves, insist on arbitration, and you’ll be just fine.

Actually, their profit margins were shrinking considerably and their aircraft orders were being deferred. They grew services in Milwaukee, Atlanta, Baltimore, Orlando, and a few smaller stations but quickly ran out of new markets to grow in. In 2007, AirTran posted a net profit of $52.7 million (despite losing $2.2 million in the 4th quarter of that year). In 2008, they posted a net loss of $273.8 million. AirTran’s net income in 2009 was $134.7 million. In 2010, their net income was $38.5 million. Southwest’s intent to acquire AirTran was announced in the fall of 2010, and the actual acquisition did not occur until May of 2011.

Somebody loves the smell of their own farts...

40.... if you think you will make it through 10!

Years ago I was riding in a crew van with a FedEx CA who was less than a year from retirement. He told me “Son, you never know if you made the right choices in this career until you are looking back from retirement. Get on with the first airline that sells tickets under its own name that hires you and settle in for the ride.”

Looking at the history of commercial aviation this advice is not infallible but it is solid advice in more cases than not.

Sometimes you don't even know then. My Dad was retired from UAL when they dumped his pension to the PBGC. Some senior Whale guys went from $100K plus to PBGC max of $44K. Talk about sucking.

Alaska & Jetblue....
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2018/02/05/will-alaska-and-jetblue-merge-some-day-2018-provides-some-early-indicators/#524b60640cf2

It’s been awful quiet around “AS” recently... has anyone heard any good rumors about a merger / buyout?

Dude, get real. The only thing happening here is retreating, it’s the Alaskan way.

Yea, that makes me feel better. Not.

Rumors are ramping up again and from what I’m hearing is both AA and WN want AS and that some big announcement is coming post SLI.

Anyone? If it is WN I’m looking forward to AS being bought buy Phillips Backwoods Holdings and the big ol’ stapler coming out 😂

If the stock keeps tanking, it could happen. I don't see an AT/WN scenario happening again though...

X plane please

If the stock gets low enough that an airline can just buy controlling interest, there will be nothing AS can do to stop it.

This sounds like a management rumor to try to distract the post SLI days when people get ticked off at the DOH that is above and below their name.

This is coming from the WN schoolhouse.

I hear the AS MEC has already agreed to DH integration with SWA.

Seriously, the DOJ is going to sign off on Amr? Maybe United maybe SWA. If anything is up it HA

Never gonna happen. I think rumors are floating around because we continue to get nothing but bad news and a glimmer of hope(buyout) appears and everyone starts crossing their fingers.