Ok but wasn't Vx an ALPA carrier? My understanding is VX ALPA's main goals was/is to protect jobs and seniority. WTF over. Now VX is demanding a relative seniority list. Putting a 9 year guy next to a 30 year guy. Give me a break. Can you say labor discord! We all saw the USAIR, AWA freak show. DOH avoids a windfall. We all started with a DOH. So let DOH be the gold standard.

Ideally, QOL wrt to bidding will degrade as little as possible for anyone affected. Should a 10 year 737 FO now upgrade to the number 1 CA on the bus? Of course not.
Try this: "We're all in this together. I hope it works out as best as possible for all". Or: "You're going to get hosed. Haha".
One view point makes you a useless POS, like Mea25000. The other makes you human.
The fat lady will eventually sing and we'll have our answer. It should not take superpowers to be nice to one another.

DOH is a no go for many VX folks since according to some on this forum, 98% of them would have bypassed a job offer with Alaskan Airways and wanted nothing to do with the eskimo. The only way a 9 year guy will be next to a 30 year guy will be "starting engine #......".

Explain to me how this makes any sense as an Alaska pilot with 30 years starts at seniority 100, while #1 has 39. W T F?

I would suggest that a person read the AA and UA awards and then expect a solution that strongly reflects something between those two outcomes.

I sincerely hope Alaska & Virgin have strong analysis capabilities—clearing showing data without cherry picking will pay dividends in the long-term. There will be less suicides this way.

I probably wasn't very clear. My point was VX ALPA allowed VX pilots to upgrade out of seniority. The 30 year 9 year was a generalization. Our top guys are 30+ years. Our seniority has always been based on DOH. So whats wrong with using DOH as the gold standard. Having pilots jump over 10+ years up the list is a windfall for that group.

Because AS years do not equal VX years. Many VX folks rolled the dice big time to work at a startup early on, the reward for that is a senior CA slot.

VX will not agree to DOH and the arbitrator will not award DOH, so why bother talking about it?

Are you talking about the restricted FOs? That took place long before ALPA was voted in at VX. And, like a previous poster said, it had to do with something those pilots agreed to when hired. Its been arbitrated and nothing changed.

I give up it will be what it will be. Hope the arbitrator sees what each side brings to the table and accounts for that.

Bless your little misguided heart...