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Old 03-14-2018 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
What a horrible story for the entire industry.

I can't imagine a company and union allowing a PIC to continue flying if they thought her story had some truth to it, although this is a mighty dysfunctional world and I guess anything is possible.

It's also quite possible this is all made up in an attempt to hide chemical dependency, and I say that because I know of an almost identical story.
Chemical dependency of whom? I guarantee you the FO was subjected to random drug screening throughout HER military career. Which person are you alleging was a user?
Old 03-14-2018 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Chemical dependency of whom? I guarantee you the FO was subjected to random drug screening throughout HER military career. Which person are you alleging was a user?
The military, until very recently, did not do random alcohol tests. Today some units might do them when arriving for work in the morning. While I have no knowledge of these circumstances at all, nor am I speculating at all, it would be entirely possible for a military person to have an alcohol problem, and still complete a full career. The system pretty much encouraged it in years past, drinking was a near-daily evolution (when not forward deployed or at sea), and being hung-over at 0700 was no big thing. The military is trying hard to change that, and has been successful with the newest generation (somewhat, it's still the military, and they're young...)

My uncle flew B-58's, did 30 years, and died in surgery for a liver transplant. I'm over 30 myself, but fortunately for me I'm able to put the glass down and just walk away when it's no longer fun or healthy.
Old 03-14-2018 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The military, until very recently, did not do random alcohol tests. Today some units might do them when arriving for work in the morning. While I have no knowledge of these circumstances at all, nor am I speculating at all, it would be entirely possible for a military person to have an alcohol problem, and still complete a full career. The system pretty much encouraged it in years past, drinking was a near-daily evolution (when not forward deployed or at sea), and being hung-over at 0700 was no big thing. The military is trying hard to change that, and has been successful with the newest generation (somewhat, it's still the military, and they're young...)

My uncle flew B-58's, did 30 years, and died in surgery for a liver transplant. I'm over 30 myself, but fortunately for me I'm able to put the glass down and just walk away when it's no longer fun or healthy.
Horse***t. The man did not say substance abuse he said chemical dependency, and all military members are randomly screened for that and have been since the "Golden Flow" days post Vietnam. It is not credible to believe that this woman would have had a drug problem not picked up during her time in the military, nor, for that matter, an alcohol problem that wouldn't have been manifest during three tours in the sandbox, where I can assure you there aren't a lot of local taverns, if you've never been there personally.

Nor would any of this explain hotel security videos of the captain forcing an incapacitated woman toward HIS room rather than assuring that She got safely to her own. Nor would it explain the Flight Attendant's call to the company expressing concerns about what was going on.
Old 03-14-2018 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Horse***t. The man did not say substance abuse he said chemical dependency, and all military members are randomly screened for that and have been since the "Golden Flow" days post Vietnam. It is not credible to believe that this woman would have had a drug problem not picked up during her time in the military, nor, for that matter, an alcohol problem that wouldn't have been manifest during three tours in the sandbox, where I can assure you there aren't a lot of local taverns, if you've never been there personally.

Nor would any of this explain hotel security videos of the captain forcing an incapacitated woman toward HIS room rather than assuring that She got safely to her own. Nor would it explain the Flight Attendant's call to the company expressing concerns about what was going on.
You're either wrong or you don't understand what I said.

"Chemical dependency" includes alcohol.

The point again: It's entirely plausible and in fact common (until very recently) to complete 20+ years of military service with an alcohol problem. It would be much harder to be a regular consumer of the small handful of other substances which are subject to random screening.

I am in no way speculating or commenting on what the news says happened, or what actually happened, because I have no idea.
Old 03-14-2018 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You're either wrong or you don't understand what I said.

"Chemical dependency" includes alcohol.

The point again: It's entirely plausible and in fact common (until very recently) to complete 20+ years of military service with an alcohol problem. It would be much harder to be a regular consumer of the small handful of other substances which are subject to random screening.

I am in no way speculating or commenting on what the news says happened, or what actually happened, because I have no idea.

Indeed, although you jump with both feet on the military veteran, while it's hardly without precedent for Alaska captains to have alcohol problems:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/us/al...lot/index.html
Old 03-14-2018 | 03:46 PM
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Many previous military pilots are in HIMS and have been addicted to alcohol for years. In fact, from my experience they are over-represented in HIMS. The good news is many of them make full recovery and are outstanding employees.

I'm very aware of a case where a pilot claimed they were assaulted to prevent their own problems with addiction to surface. I'm not saying this is the case here, but it has happened in the past.

Personally, I found the #metoo reference in the court documents offensive. Comparing her to someone who is forced to use their sexuality to climb a corporate ladder and hide their experiences for decades while being repeatedly abused is not comparable to union pilots on a collective bargaining list that are governed by seniority.

I find her agenda revolting and diminishing to those women that need to put up with harassment garbage for decades and have no way out. This isn't Hollywood and this isnt the CEOs office, if a crime was committed and she acted differently he would be in jail.

The entire publicity surrounding the incident makes me sick. Disgusting.
Old 03-14-2018 | 04:11 PM
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The Seattle Times article is a much better written and thorough article and does lend credibility to the FO's story. If true that she reported it within 2 days, then Alaska has some 'splainin to do.
Two (or more) sides to every story though.
Old 03-14-2018 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DashAviator
I know the (female) pilot in question and have worked with her. She is an extraordinarily well-qualified pilot and extremely competent - not the type of person to make baseless accusations. She's also career military, with service in some of the more dangerous parts of the Middle East. I don't know what happened or why it took so long to come out, but I'd like to urge readers to give her (and the other pilot) the benefit of the doubt until more information is available.
Same here.
Old 03-14-2018 | 04:26 PM
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How about because women are naturally crazy and we have this MeToo movement going on and just because she said so, served in the military etc, doesn’t make her accusations any more relevant. Did she call police on the morning she woke up with no pants and a hangover with fresh clues for police to investigate? Or did she fly back with him, decide at some point she wanted her metoo payout and then say something.
Also, whomever wrote this is just a terrible terrible person.
Old 03-14-2018 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by crxpilot
How about because women are naturally crazy and we have this MeToo movement going on and just because she said so, served in the military etc, doesn’t make her accusations any more relevant. Did she call police on the morning she woke up with no pants and a hangover with fresh clues for police to investigate? Or did she fly back with him, decide at some point she wanted her metoo payout and then say something.
Wow, bet your a joy to fly with! Do you even realize what that would sound like in an interview? Tell your mom that lately? Would you like your name to be publicly associated with such a misogynist post?

So easy to hate on the internet... be proud big boy.
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