90 seat scope... are you kidding me
04-11-2018, 09:27 PM
#81
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Y’all are forgetting where you work. 68.4% of the original Alaska pilots are Ben’s Secret Sauce. They were hired for their yes vote only.
Not because they were Superior pilots but because to them it is more important to be an Alaskan Pilot then a pilot with a mature, stable legacy contract.....Good luck
Not because they were Superior pilots but because to them it is more important to be an Alaskan Pilot then a pilot with a mature, stable legacy contract.....Good luck
04-12-2018, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AltoCumulus
I have always been an advocate for scope. I think if we had 90 seat scope language going into this past arbitration it would have made it much more likely we could have achieved a reduction to 76 or lower. The fact that we had NO scope at all was a big reason we couldn’t convince an arbitrator to create a whole new concept within our contract.
Right now we could think of ourselves as having 1000 seat scope protection. We are protected because the airplane doesn’t exist. Is reducing the scope protection from 1000 seats to 90 seats a worthwhile endeavor? I think it is a clear yes. It would eliminate a lot of nightmare scenarios regarding scope (787’s flown by Atlas with eskimos on the tail) and create a beachhead where one does not presently exist going into 2020.
Right now we could think of ourselves as having 1000 seat scope protection. We are protected because the airplane doesn’t exist. Is reducing the scope protection from 1000 seats to 90 seats a worthwhile endeavor? I think it is a clear yes. It would eliminate a lot of nightmare scenarios regarding scope (787’s flown by Atlas with eskimos on the tail) and create a beachhead where one does not presently exist going into 2020.
Although we don't have a scope clause that limits seat count at 76, management is currently not subcontracting aircraft with more than 76 seats. If we vote for 90 because it's better than theoretically infinite, the next day they order 90 seat jets. Do you know how long you have to wait to get 76 seat scope if there are 90 seat jets on property? Until they wear out. In my opinion, don't sign off on something you don't want, just because it might be better than what you currently have.
I'd rather take a wound inflicted by management than a wound that's self-inflicted.
04-13-2018, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76
Has anyone on either the Boeing or Airbus side contacted their union rep to confirm this and to express their opinion on it?
04-13-2018, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by busbusbaby
I did and their words were "mea25000 narrative is complete B*ll S%$t" they are ****ed if they find out who is doing this, I feel sorry for them.
I am so scared. I heard they called the FB freaking I.
I tell you what I will give up my source for fear of my life
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04-13-2018, 02:30 PM
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Hey Tripple B
How was your week, sorry forgot to ask. Looks like you are playing for the New England Patriots, that’s right the 85 version and yes that means we were the 85 Bears. For the first time in my career ALPA finally got it right. Mr. F and Mr. P were sensational. Honestly, that was unbelievable. Every AS pilot needs to send those gentleman a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue Lable. I mean that, these two gentlemen saved your careers!
How was your week, sorry forgot to ask. Looks like you are playing for the New England Patriots, that’s right the 85 version and yes that means we were the 85 Bears. For the first time in my career ALPA finally got it right. Mr. F and Mr. P were sensational. Honestly, that was unbelievable. Every AS pilot needs to send those gentleman a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue Lable. I mean that, these two gentlemen saved your careers!
04-14-2018, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
Hey Tripple B
How was your week, sorry forgot to ask. Looks like you are playing for the New England Patriots, that’s right the 85 version and yes that means we were the 85 Bears. For the first time in my career ALPA finally got it right. Mr. F and Mr. P were sensational. Honestly, that was unbelievable. Every AS pilot needs to send those gentleman a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue Lable. I mean that, these two gentlemen saved your careers!
How was your week, sorry forgot to ask. Looks like you are playing for the New England Patriots, that’s right the 85 version and yes that means we were the 85 Bears. For the first time in my career ALPA finally got it right. Mr. F and Mr. P were sensational. Honestly, that was unbelievable. Every AS pilot needs to send those gentleman a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue Lable. I mean that, these two gentlemen saved your careers!
How do you figure Mr. F and Mr. P from Bredhoff & Kaiser saved the Alaska pilots careers this early in the arbitration process?
04-14-2018, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Arctichicken
You have a valid point and that is 90 seat scope is better than no scope. How about we take it a step further and go for less than 76 seats? It's time to grow a pair and draw a line in the sand, stand our ground, and show management that this pilot group is not the "new boss same as the old boss". The caving must stop today.
Less than 76 is the fix
04-14-2018, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
Hey Tripple B
How was your week, sorry forgot to ask. Looks like you are playing for the New England Patriots, that’s right the 85 version and yes that means we were the 85 Bears. For the first time in my career ALPA finally got it right. Mr. F and Mr. P were sensational. Honestly, that was unbelievable. Every AS pilot needs to send those gentleman a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue Lable. I mean that, these two gentlemen saved your careers!
How was your week, sorry forgot to ask. Looks like you are playing for the New England Patriots, that’s right the 85 version and yes that means we were the 85 Bears. For the first time in my career ALPA finally got it right. Mr. F and Mr. P were sensational. Honestly, that was unbelievable. Every AS pilot needs to send those gentleman a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue Lable. I mean that, these two gentlemen saved your careers!
I would wait on the blue label until the award comes out. Remember this is arbitration, and AS pilots get f@&ked in every arbitration.
04-14-2018, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
I disagree. The problem with this idea is as follows.
Although we don't have a scope clause that limits seat count at 76, management is currently not subcontracting aircraft with more than 76 seats. If we vote for 90 because it's better than theoretically infinite, the next day they order 90 seat jets. Do you know how long you have to wait to get 76 seat scope if there are 90 seat jets on property? Until they wear out. In my opinion, don't sign off on something you don't want, just because it might be better than what you currently have.
I'd rather take a wound inflicted by management than a wound that's self-inflicted.
Although we don't have a scope clause that limits seat count at 76, management is currently not subcontracting aircraft with more than 76 seats. If we vote for 90 because it's better than theoretically infinite, the next day they order 90 seat jets. Do you know how long you have to wait to get 76 seat scope if there are 90 seat jets on property? Until they wear out. In my opinion, don't sign off on something you don't want, just because it might be better than what you currently have.
I'd rather take a wound inflicted by management than a wound that's self-inflicted.
Going without scope is insane in this day and age. OO could easily squander off the Expressjet flying and put A320's on the cert for AS. It's still a separate airline and not subject to Delta/UA/AA's scope like skywest flying is.
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