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Old 05-07-2018 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Do you know that the civil action has been terminated? Or that the captain has ceased his efforts to return to flying at Alaska?
I don't, which is why I'm presenting these in the form of a question. Having seen how corporate America operates, it would seem a likely course of action. It wouldn't seem practical to be fighting lawsuits and getting drug through the court of public opinion when a much cheaper alternative is available. Out of court settlements are common and happen for this reason. Right, wrong, or in different, the shareholders interests come first
Old 05-07-2018 | 11:25 AM
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The court of public opinion is the only court that matters to Angle Lake. That's why the Captain is gone. Now they probably offered him the option to voluntarily retire versus termination.

The court of public opinion (Blue state WA/OR) is also why the F/O is still flying. The news stories would insinuate she wasn't responsible for her actions being "drugged."

Like it or not, that's SOP at Alaska. Consider it a cautionary tale, especially for the VXers who have no experience with the Angle Lake snake pit.
Old 05-07-2018 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
The court of public opinion is the only court that matters to Angle Lake. That's why the Captain is gone. Now they probably offered him the option to voluntarily retire versus termination.

The court of public opinion (Blue state WA/OR) is also why the F/O is still flying. The news stories would insinuate she wasn't responsible for her actions being "drugged."

Like it or not, that's SOP at Alaska. Consider it a cautionary tale, especially for the VXers who have no experience with the Angle Lake snake pit.
So if the captain's actions DON'T warrant firing him, why is the Union not weighing in on this? Are they complicit?
Old 05-07-2018 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Perhaps DUE to her probationary status and the fact that her immediate supervisor was pouring the drinks for her.

Nobody wants to take a case to court for wrongful termination when the immediate supervisor was the one that provoked the situation that caused the termination. The supervisor getting canned and the subordinate getting counseled and her probation extended is about par for the course.

Combine that with the rape allegation and the woman's civil suit against Alaska and that would make the legal department even LESS likely to recommend canning the junior person, because it would reek of retribution for the lawsuit itself, a lawsuit that Alaska dearly wants to settle out of court to avoid going through discovery and even more desperately wants to avoid the adverse publicity a trial would cost them.

Basically, they need the goodwill of the young woman whereas the captain has made himself a liability and an embarrassment. This was predictable from day one.
Stick to flying. You’d make a terrible attorney and and even worse juror.
Old 05-07-2018 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
The court of public opinion is the only court that matters to Angle Lake. That's why the Captain is gone. Now they probably offered him the option to voluntarily retire versus termination.

The court of public opinion (Blue state WA/OR) is also why the F/O is still flying. The news stories would insinuate she wasn't responsible for her actions being "drugged."

Like it or not, that's SOP at Alaska. Consider it a cautionary tale, especially for the VXers who have no experience with the Angle Lake snake pit.
But wait, isn't VX based in SFO..... I mean even OR/WA seem like purple states in comparison......
Old 05-07-2018 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Stick to flying. You’d make a terrible attorney and and even worse juror.
If you have a BETTER explanation for Alaska's actions in this case, we are just DYING to hear it...
Old 05-07-2018 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
So if the captain's actions DON'T warrant firing him, why is the Union not weighing in on this? Are they complicit?
Part of it is the individual's decision. The Union lawyer presents both sides. If you're terminated your chance of EVER getting another flying job are minimal. If you voluntarily retire, no future employer would ever be the wiser.

In this case, his name got publicized so that would work against him. I wouldn't say the Union is exactly complicit, but they do lay out the trials and tribulations of fighting Alaska in a termination deal. One can visualize a certain Captain who fought the Company for 8 months eventually winning in the end. However, when he came back he had a huge target on his back and the Company eventually found a reason to terminate him.

So if you're the Captain in this case and you know that story, is it better to take the retirement? If you do, you get your half lump sum, your pension (if you stayed on the A plan) and your non-rev privileges. If you get terminated you lose everything plus get the black mark on your record when it comes to your future.

What would you choose? Alaska is very consistent in treating pilots in this manner. If you're close enough to retirement, you're good. If you're a junior F/O or not close enough to retirement, you're flocked.

Again, a cautionary tale for those who remain on the property. Alaska likes to make examples of those who don't, can't or won't toe the line. In spite of their "We Are Family" B.S., they have no compunction about throwing you to the wolves, especially since there are PLENTY of eager young wannabes out there.
Old 05-07-2018 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NavyFlyer
I just heard from a captain on the crew bus that he was fired for drinking against company policy, and she retained her job. This despite them BOTH drinking in the window.

Rape or no rape, they both drank against company policy. Why isn’t she being fired for her offense (especially due to her probationary status), just as he was/is?

If I were him, I’d sue AAG for sexism and equal opportunity practices.


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He probably paid for the drinks, so the receipts are concrete evidence of the violation. She has deniability, drugged or not.

I used to buy drinks for my fellow crewmembers, however, now I'm a slam-clicker, too much risk unfortunately.
Old 05-08-2018 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
How is the captain an immediate supervisor on an overnight? A captain isn't my supervisor on a flight. He has no say in my job etc. sorry but it isn't the 1960's anymore.
Except for the part where AAG manuals apparently say the captain is your supervisor for the whole trip.
Old 05-08-2018 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Except for the part where AAG manuals apparently say the captain is your supervisor for the whole trip.
Unfortunately, sometimes Management assigns the CA a responsibility without giving him or her an equal amount of authority.
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