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Old 05-04-2018 | 03:01 PM
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Talk about a false comparison. If that's true then Trump and his administration are as bad as rapists. Or at least sexual predators...
So it's ok to lie that someone raped you?

I didn't vote for the moron. Morons did that.
Old 05-04-2018 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Talk about a false comparison.
Avoiding the political aspect. I'd agree that lying that someone raped you is about as bad as the crime itself.
Old 05-04-2018 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver
Thou assumeth much grasshoppa. It appears it was you who missed the numbers. And the facts. Considering your audience perhaps a little research would help your credibility.

Beyond the fact that not all AF pilots are zoomies and their USAFA time is not included in their years of service, many serve their time in the reserves while accruing seniority at major airlines. This puts your assumed timeline--and presumed age--off by what could amount to decades.
Good info but it was covered about 8-10 pages back, leading in to the statement that the lawyer had obviously played the military angle for maximum effect by describing his time with Alaska and with the AF Reserve as if they had not overlapped, but yeah, a fifty year old guy has a LOT more to lose than a 64 year old one coming up on retirement, making him an even bigger idiot to try to bed a subordinate on a layover.
Old 05-07-2018 | 07:45 AM
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I just heard from a captain on the crew bus that he was fired for drinking against company policy, and she retained her job. This despite them BOTH drinking in the window.

Rape or no rape, they both drank against company policy. Why isn’t she being fired for her offense (especially due to her probationary status), just as he was/is?

If I were him, I’d sue AAG for sexism and equal opportunity practices.


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Old 05-07-2018 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by NavyFlyer

Rape or no rape, they both drank against company policy. Why isn’t she being fired for her offense (especially due to her probationary status), just as he was/is?
Perhaps DUE to her probationary status and the fact that her immediate supervisor was pouring the drinks for her.

Nobody wants to take a case to court for wrongful termination when the immediate supervisor was the one that provoked the situation that caused the termination. The supervisor getting canned and the subordinate getting counseled and her probation extended is about par for the course.

Combine that with the rape allegation and the woman's civil suit against Alaska and that would make the legal department even LESS likely to recommend canning the junior person, because it would reek of retribution for the lawsuit itself, a lawsuit that Alaska dearly wants to settle out of court to avoid going through discovery and even more desperately wants to avoid the adverse publicity a trial would cost them.

Basically, they need the goodwill of the young woman whereas the captain has made himself a liability and an embarrassment. This was predictable from day one.
Old 05-07-2018 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NavyFlyer
I just heard from a captain on the crew bus that he was fired for drinking against company policy, and she retained her job. This despite them BOTH drinking in the window.

Rape or no rape, they both drank against company policy. Why isn’t she being fired for her offense (especially due to her probationary status), just as he was/is?

If I were him, I’d sue AAG for sexism and equal opportunity practices.


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Old 05-07-2018 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Perhaps DUE to her probationary status and the fact that her immediate supervisor was pouring the drinks for her.

Nobody wants to take a case to court for wrongful termination when the immediate supervisor was the one that provoked the situation that caused the termination. The supervisor getting canned and the subordinate getting counseled and her probation extended is about par for the course.

Combine that with the rape allegation and the woman's civil suit against Alaska and that would make the legal department even LESS likely to recommend canning the junior person, because it would reek of retribution for the lawsuit itself, a lawsuit that Alaska dearly wants to settle out of court to avoid going through discovery and even more desperately wants to avoid the adverse publicity a trial would cost them.

Basically, they need the goodwill of the young woman whereas the captain has made himself a liability and an embarrassment. This was predictable from day one.
How is the captain an immediate supervisor on an overnight? A captain isn't my supervisor on a flight. He has no say in my job etc. sorry but it isn't the 1960's anymore.
Old 05-07-2018 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Perhaps DUE to her probationary status and the fact that her immediate supervisor was pouring the drinks for her.

Nobody wants to take a case to court for wrongful termination when the immediate supervisor was the one that provoked the situation that caused the termination. The supervisor getting canned and the subordinate getting counseled and her probation extended is about par for the course.

Combine that with the rape allegation and the woman's civil suit against Alaska and that would make the legal department even LESS likely to recommend canning the junior person, because it would reek of retribution for the lawsuit itself, a lawsuit that Alaska dearly wants to settle out of court to avoid going through discovery and even more desperately wants to avoid the adverse publicity a trial would cost them.

Basically, they need the goodwill of the young woman whereas the captain has made himself a liability and an embarrassment. This was predictable from day one.
Wasn't this case already investigated by the company and found there was insufficient evidence to pursue administrative action? Weren't both parties cleared to return to flying status pending currency training? So now, due to the FOs public outcry, the company elects to terminate the captain and retain the FO?

Given today's corporate culture and fear of further liability, lawsuits, and more bad press, would it be safe to guess that this captain was offered a settlement that involved a severance package and the ability to resign in lieu of termination? I can only imagine the number of attorneys who would otherwise be contacting this captain for a wrongful termination lawsuit. Alaska just wants this whole mess to quietly go away and, given the sizeable legal costs and PR disaster of another lawsuit dragging out indefinitely, likely cut their losses, made an offer big enough to entice him to 'retire'. She's satisfied by his dismissal and the media and lawyers go away. Problem solved.

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Old 05-07-2018 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver
Alaska just wants this whole mess to quietly go away and, given the sizeable legal costs and PR disaster of another lawsuit dragging out indefinitely, likely cut their losses, made an offer big enough to entice him to 'retire'. She's satisfied by his dismissal and the media and lawyers go away. Problem solved.
Do you know that the civil action has been terminated? Or that the captain has ceased his efforts to return to flying at Alaska?
Old 05-07-2018 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
How is the captain an immediate supervisor on an overnight? A captain isn't my supervisor on a flight. He has no say in my job etc. sorry but it isn't the 1960's anymore.
Yeah, I know, and the 80s want their defense policy back, yet here we are.....
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