Scope... not worth the paper it’s written on.
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With exception of early days of the union, which btw was well before our time, what exactly has ALPA done to improve your average pilots' QOL, pay, and bennies? They've been caving left and right to management in exchange for seniority-senior pilots eating the young. How many sell outs have there been, even here at your small pilot group? How about union drops for personal gain and boondoggle "union meetings" in Las Vegas and other enticing locations while feasting it up with union dues?
Good Job btw, I can tell you did it for the fame and not the service. So thank you for nothing.
Other then the military boasting, You bring up one great point, because it perfectly aligns with my narrative! Thank you! Every single legacy out there (but Alaska is by far the least tasteful) has sold the collective profession down river.
Because this sub is filled with extremes: egotistical gloaters and miserable depressors, I could care less about any of you. How bout dat?! VX never had a chance to have a positive influence upon you, and thats just too bad now. 3/4-ish of Horizon pilots dont want to pathway into Alaska unless its the last possible alternative. How bout dat?!
The article said a replacement to aging 737's but you miserable fools immediately started screaming about scope, its even in the title. And not one of you stopped and said whoa, we need scope but lets be civilized because the sky aint falling yet. I dont give a damn about your management, I care about the union that is is supposed to keep them honest. How bout dat?!
Since, I will either retire here or move on, I now hope we get the E195s. I'm sure your egoists will happily allow that for $1/hour, and we will do it for cheaper and commiserate with the not terrible among you as we take your jobs. Might be that 3/4-ish of Horizon pilot group agrees, hahaha. How bout dat?! And if those aircraft go to SkyWest, I will say adios, and go to my 4th regional or back to corporate since 3rd time wasnt the charm. How bout dat?!
You have no idea what you're talking about. Go back into your fantasy world, and tell all your friends how awesome you were for holding onto a mil job an extra decade while the civilian world put the pieces back together. Or learn something, because we did not have a choice. The lost decade hit the civilian pilot world hard and we care about scope because we know first hand that starting again at seniority zero SUCKS. The regionals never should have gone beyond a turbo-prop but mainline pilots, who are just as full of themselves as you are, sold it all for an additional fraction of pay. So here we are.
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#52
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Good Job btw, I can tell you did it for the fame and not the service. So thank you for nothing.
Other then the military boasting, You bring up one great point, because it perfectly aligns with my narrative! Thank you! Every single legacy out there (but Alaska is by far the least tasteful) has sold the collective profession down river.
Because this sub is filled with extremes: egotistical gloaters and miserable depressors, I could care less about any of you. How bout dat?! VX never had a chance to have a positive influence upon you, and thats just too bad now. 3/4-ish of Horizon pilots dont want to pathway into Alaska unless its the last possible alternative. How bout dat?!
The article said a replacement to aging 737's but you miserable fools immediately started screaming about scope, its even in the title. And not one of you stopped and said whoa, we need scope but lets be civilized because the sky aint falling yet. I dont give a damn about your management, I care about the union that is is supposed to keep them honest. How bout dat?!
Since, I will either retire here or move on, I now hope we get the E195s. I'm sure your egoists will happily allow that for $1/hour, and we will do it for cheaper and commiserate with the not terrible among you as we take your jobs. Might be that 3/4-ish of Horizon pilot group agrees, hahaha. How bout dat?! And if those aircraft go to SkyWest, I will say adios, and go to my 4th regional or back to corporate since 3rd time wasnt the charm. How bout dat?!
You have no idea what you're talking about. Go back into your fantasy world, and tell all your friends how awesome you were for holding onto a mil job an extra decade while the civilian world put the pieces back together. Or learn something, because we did not have a choice. The lost decade hit the civilian pilot world hard and we care about scope because we know first hand that starting again at seniority zero SUCKS. The regionals never should have gone beyond a turbo-prop but mainline pilots, who are just as full of themselves as you are, sold it all for an additional fraction of pay. So here we are.
Other then the military boasting, You bring up one great point, because it perfectly aligns with my narrative! Thank you! Every single legacy out there (but Alaska is by far the least tasteful) has sold the collective profession down river.
Because this sub is filled with extremes: egotistical gloaters and miserable depressors, I could care less about any of you. How bout dat?! VX never had a chance to have a positive influence upon you, and thats just too bad now. 3/4-ish of Horizon pilots dont want to pathway into Alaska unless its the last possible alternative. How bout dat?!
The article said a replacement to aging 737's but you miserable fools immediately started screaming about scope, its even in the title. And not one of you stopped and said whoa, we need scope but lets be civilized because the sky aint falling yet. I dont give a damn about your management, I care about the union that is is supposed to keep them honest. How bout dat?!
Since, I will either retire here or move on, I now hope we get the E195s. I'm sure your egoists will happily allow that for $1/hour, and we will do it for cheaper and commiserate with the not terrible among you as we take your jobs. Might be that 3/4-ish of Horizon pilot group agrees, hahaha. How bout dat?! And if those aircraft go to SkyWest, I will say adios, and go to my 4th regional or back to corporate since 3rd time wasnt the charm. How bout dat?!
You have no idea what you're talking about. Go back into your fantasy world, and tell all your friends how awesome you were for holding onto a mil job an extra decade while the civilian world put the pieces back together. Or learn something, because we did not have a choice. The lost decade hit the civilian pilot world hard and we care about scope because we know first hand that starting again at seniority zero SUCKS. The regionals never should have gone beyond a turbo-prop but mainline pilots, who are just as full of themselves as you are, sold it all for an additional fraction of pay. So here we are.
I state a fact and you say that I'm boasting. You sound like some of the incompetent narccistic commanders I used to work for. You know, the ones who like to speak out of their anus because they enjoy hearing themselves make noises out of both ends.
Service is service, regardless of intent and ambitions. Everyone who I flew fighters with did not start out wanting to just "serve". Yes, everyone! We all shared a common goal of being fighter pilots. Sense of patriotism and service came along the way. You can bleed red, blue, and white all day but in the end, you risk it all for the person standing next to you and your buds. Maybe you haven't caught on but this country or the world for that matter, very much like the company and the union, could careless about you. They are no better than corporate America; everyone uses each other for gain. Understand this: corporate America runs the government and not the other way around. The bottom line is $$$ and if you ain't performing, you'll be out of a job real quick. If you can understand this and accept the fact, life will get much easier. Too many of you live in denial and when expectations aren't met, you all cry like little girls. Life's vertigo.
Dude, I don't know what you did to be stuck in a rut. You must have a skeleton or two in your closet, personal flaws, or plain bad luck though I don't believe in bad luck. As for your flawed observation of my career, I did not stay an extra decade. I did my minimum commitement and separated. While I was in, I did everything I can to accrue as many hours as possible to be competitive on the out side, which meant turning down the coveted weapons school slot. I did everything in my power and made huge sacrifices to make myself marketable to the airlines. Can you say that for yourself? Alaska was my dream airline but soon realized its major flaws and so I left for another legacy.
Feel free to drown in your sorrows. It's your life. As the saying goes, early birds gets the worm. You can fight on or crawl up and die. You didn't have a choice?!?! Very weak excuse. Everyone has a choice in this free country, bro.
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Since time is all I have sitting reserve, I'll play.
I state a fact and you say that I'm boasting. You sound like some of the incompetent narccistic commanders I used to work for. You know, the ones who like to speak out of their anus because they enjoy hearing themselves make noises out of both ends.
Service is service, regardless of intent and ambitions. Everyone who I flew fighters with did not start out wanting to just "serve". Yes, everyone! We all shared a common goal of being fighter pilots. Sense of patriotism and service came along the way. You can bleed red, blue, and white all day but in the end, you risk it all for the person standing next to you and your buds. Maybe you haven't caught on but this country or the world for that matter, very much like the company and the union, could careless about you. They are no better than corporate America; everyone uses each other for gain. Understand this: corporate America runs the government and not the other way around. The bottom line is $$$ and if you ain't performing, you'll be out of a job real quick. If you can understand this and accept the fact, life will get much easier. Too many of you live in denial and when expectations aren't met, you all cry like little girls. Life's vertigo.
Dude, I don't know what you did to be stuck in a rut. You must have a skeleton or two in your closet, personal flaws, or plain bad luck though I don't believe in bad luck. As for your flawed observation of my career, I did not stay an extra decade. I did my minimum commitement and separated. While I was in, I did everything I can to accrue as many hours as possible to be competitive on the out side, which meant turning down the coveted weapons school slot. I did everything in my power and made huge sacrifices to make myself marketable to the airlines. Can you say that for yourself? Alaska was my dream airline but soon realized its major flaws and so I left for another legacy.
Feel free to drown in your sorrows. It's your life. As the saying goes, early birds gets the worm. You can fight on or crawl up and die. You didn't have a choice?!?! Very weak excuse. Everyone has a choice in this free country, bro.
I state a fact and you say that I'm boasting. You sound like some of the incompetent narccistic commanders I used to work for. You know, the ones who like to speak out of their anus because they enjoy hearing themselves make noises out of both ends.
Service is service, regardless of intent and ambitions. Everyone who I flew fighters with did not start out wanting to just "serve". Yes, everyone! We all shared a common goal of being fighter pilots. Sense of patriotism and service came along the way. You can bleed red, blue, and white all day but in the end, you risk it all for the person standing next to you and your buds. Maybe you haven't caught on but this country or the world for that matter, very much like the company and the union, could careless about you. They are no better than corporate America; everyone uses each other for gain. Understand this: corporate America runs the government and not the other way around. The bottom line is $$$ and if you ain't performing, you'll be out of a job real quick. If you can understand this and accept the fact, life will get much easier. Too many of you live in denial and when expectations aren't met, you all cry like little girls. Life's vertigo.
Dude, I don't know what you did to be stuck in a rut. You must have a skeleton or two in your closet, personal flaws, or plain bad luck though I don't believe in bad luck. As for your flawed observation of my career, I did not stay an extra decade. I did my minimum commitement and separated. While I was in, I did everything I can to accrue as many hours as possible to be competitive on the out side, which meant turning down the coveted weapons school slot. I did everything in my power and made huge sacrifices to make myself marketable to the airlines. Can you say that for yourself? Alaska was my dream airline but soon realized its major flaws and so I left for another legacy.
Feel free to drown in your sorrows. It's your life. As the saying goes, early birds gets the worm. You can fight on or crawl up and die. You didn't have a choice?!?! Very weak excuse. Everyone has a choice in this free country, bro.

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I sense jealousy. Enjoy stewing in the regional world while everyone and their brothers are getting hired by the big boys. Look yourself in the mirror and figure out your faults and maybe, just maybe you can find your errors. I highly doubt it but there's always hope.
You blame mainline pilots for your failure. Is that right? Didn't Horizon pilots willingly accept a TA that had lower jet pay rates than what was already in your previous contract in order to fly the 175s? Then you guys screamed rape after passing this TA and turned and blamed SKW. You have zero balls and brains, and once again got played by the airgroup. Horizon needs to just go away but there's a reason why the airgroup is keeping this extremely weak sister around-whipsaw.
You blame mainline pilots for your failure. Is that right? Didn't Horizon pilots willingly accept a TA that had lower jet pay rates than what was already in your previous contract in order to fly the 175s? Then you guys screamed rape after passing this TA and turned and blamed SKW. You have zero balls and brains, and once again got played by the airgroup. Horizon needs to just go away but there's a reason why the airgroup is keeping this extremely weak sister around-whipsaw.
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I sense jealousy. Enjoy stewing in the regional world while everyone and their brothers are getting hired by the big boys. Look yourself in the mirror and figure out your faults and maybe, just maybe you can find your errors. I highly doubt it but there's always hope.
You blame mainline pilots for your failure. Is that right? Didn't Horizon pilots willingly accept a TA that had lower jet pay rates than what was already in your previous contract in order to fly the 175s? Then you guys screamed rape after passing this TA and turned and blamed SKW. You had zero balls and brains, and once again got played by the airgroup. Horizon needs to just go away but there's a reason why the airgroup is keeping this extremely weak sister around-whipsaw.
You blame mainline pilots for your failure. Is that right? Didn't Horizon pilots willingly accept a TA that had lower jet pay rates than what was already in your previous contract in order to fly the 175s? Then you guys screamed rape after passing this TA and turned and blamed SKW. You had zero balls and brains, and once again got played by the airgroup. Horizon needs to just go away but there's a reason why the airgroup is keeping this extremely weak sister around-whipsaw.
You also seem to only post on the Alaska and MIL forums.
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You are all ***** cats. Cats are easily distracted by simply waving a toy and the cat will give its complete attention to this toy while losing all SA. Cats also get butt hurt easily just like you all do. Hence, you are all just emotionally unstable WDs who only know to lash out.
What I state are facts but you take them as boasting. With exception of early days of the union, which btw was well before our time, what exactly has ALPA done to improve your average pilots' QOL, pay, and bennies? They've been caving left and right to management in exchange for seniority-senior pilots eating the young. How many sell outs have there been, even here at your small pilot group? How about union drops for personal gain and boondoggle "union meetings" in Las Vegas and other enticing locations while feasting it up with union dues?
I understand that civilian pilots have to gain experience some how but you do realize that when you work for a regional, especially one with a non-unionized pilot group, that you are aiding the very entity that is undercutting our profession?!?! It's hilarious and hideous that all of you ex-regional pilots, especially SKW, scream bloody murder for Scope when you yourselves were the very offenders of it all. Oh and let's not forget about all you losers who paid for training and worked for free to gain flight hours at a regional back in the day. You know who you are. I owe you exactly what now??? A blanket party perhaps.
Bash away.
What I state are facts but you take them as boasting. With exception of early days of the union, which btw was well before our time, what exactly has ALPA done to improve your average pilots' QOL, pay, and bennies? They've been caving left and right to management in exchange for seniority-senior pilots eating the young. How many sell outs have there been, even here at your small pilot group? How about union drops for personal gain and boondoggle "union meetings" in Las Vegas and other enticing locations while feasting it up with union dues?
I understand that civilian pilots have to gain experience some how but you do realize that when you work for a regional, especially one with a non-unionized pilot group, that you are aiding the very entity that is undercutting our profession?!?! It's hilarious and hideous that all of you ex-regional pilots, especially SKW, scream bloody murder for Scope when you yourselves were the very offenders of it all. Oh and let's not forget about all you losers who paid for training and worked for free to gain flight hours at a regional back in the day. You know who you are. I owe you exactly what now??? A blanket party perhaps.
Bash away.
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I sense jealousy. Enjoy stewing in the regional world while everyone and their brothers are getting hired by the big boys. Look yourself in the mirror and figure out your faults and maybe, just maybe you can find your errors. I highly doubt it but there's always hope.
You blame mainline pilots for your failure. Is that right? Didn't Horizon pilots willingly accept a TA that had lower jet pay rates than what was already in your previous contract in order to fly the 175s? Then you guys screamed rape after passing this TA and turned and blamed SKW. You have zero balls and brains, and once again got played by the airgroup. Horizon needs to just go away but there's a reason why the airgroup is keeping this extremely weak sister around-whipsaw.
You blame mainline pilots for your failure. Is that right? Didn't Horizon pilots willingly accept a TA that had lower jet pay rates than what was already in your previous contract in order to fly the 175s? Then you guys screamed rape after passing this TA and turned and blamed SKW. You have zero balls and brains, and once again got played by the airgroup. Horizon needs to just go away but there's a reason why the airgroup is keeping this extremely weak sister around-whipsaw.
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I post on here because I'm still new to my current airline and still learning the ropes at my new airline. I'm sure there's dirt to be found there also.
I smell roses, did you fart?? Bet you went to the academy didn’t you? Not saying all mil pilots were pr*cks but the majority of them from the academy were and had that exact condescending attitude you’re showing right now. It was hard to serve under officers like that, frankly I lost respect for them because of their arrogance. I really hope you understand that not everyone got to go from the mil gig to a major, even others that served with and under you. Yes some of us had/have to fly for peanuts to prove ourselves worthy of a decent job. I hope you’re a tad more humble in the flightdeck than you are here, but I’m guessing not...
I have several airline pilot friends who came up through the civilian ranks. Each of them are stand up guys and I don't feel that they are any less of a pilot than me. Some couldn't make the cut in the military and some didn't want to go the military route but none of them feel entitled and make excuses saying that they didn't have a choice. I also have military friends who could not land a major airline gig right out of the service and had to do some time in the trenches. Again, all stand up guys who've paid their dues and are all now at the big three and/or FedEx/UPS.
Lashing out and name calling doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I find it funny that so many of you suffer from inferiority complex and live with your heads in the sand. As for my humbleness in the cockpit, I'm very low key at work. I can count with one hand the occasions where I have not been invited to have a drink/meal with the captain/crew on my layovers. I didn't get to where I am in life by all luck and good fortune. I do thank my lucky stars for having the opportunity to do the things only a few can ever fantasize of doing and having multiple legacy/FedEx/SWA job offers when I separated. Arrogance or not, these are the facts bro.
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