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08-30-2018 | 07:15 PM
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Everyone has the right to like, dislike, hate, despise, etc. If what I say seems condescending and offensive, I've hit a nerve. It's your choice to either feel butt hurt or deal with the issue and fix the problem. Instead of lashing out like a child, why not make a case for your argument?
I post on here because I'm still new to my current airline and still learning the ropes at my new airline. I'm sure there's dirt to be found there also.
You bet, I graduated from the zoo. Your generalization of academy grads who are pilots have zero credibility. You're entitled to your lame assessment but try to back up your arguments instead of shooting from the hip. People who feel that my comments are condescending suffer from inferiority complex. I'm willing to bet that you have very thin skin and can't digest constructive ciriticim. If you were a sharp airman, you would have garnered respect from the Os. In the world where I come from, errors and mistakes are identified with brutal honesty and resolution and training to correct those errors/mistakes are enforced in a firm but positive manner. If you view this as arrogance, then the problem lies within you. If you played any sort of competitive sports in school, you'd understand.
I have several airline pilot friends who came up through the civilian ranks. Each of them are stand up guys and I don't feel that they are any less of a pilot than me. Some couldn't make the cut in the military and some didn't want to go the military route but none of them feel entitled and make excuses saying that they didn't have a choice. I also have military friends who could not land a major airline gig right out of the service and had to do some time in the trenches. Again, all stand up guys who've paid their dues and are all now at the big three and/or FedEx/UPS.
Lashing out and name calling doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I find it funny that so many of you suffer from inferiority complex and live with your heads in the sand. As for my humbleness in the cockpit, I'm very low key at work. I can count with one hand the occasions where I have not been invited to have a drink/meal with the captain/crew on my layovers. I didn't get to where I am in life by all luck and good fortune. I do thank my lucky stars for having the opportunity to do the things only a few can ever fantasize of doing and having multiple legacy/FedEx/SWA job offers when I separated. Arrogance or not, these are the facts bro.
I post on here because I'm still new to my current airline and still learning the ropes at my new airline. I'm sure there's dirt to be found there also.
You bet, I graduated from the zoo. Your generalization of academy grads who are pilots have zero credibility. You're entitled to your lame assessment but try to back up your arguments instead of shooting from the hip. People who feel that my comments are condescending suffer from inferiority complex. I'm willing to bet that you have very thin skin and can't digest constructive ciriticim. If you were a sharp airman, you would have garnered respect from the Os. In the world where I come from, errors and mistakes are identified with brutal honesty and resolution and training to correct those errors/mistakes are enforced in a firm but positive manner. If you view this as arrogance, then the problem lies within you. If you played any sort of competitive sports in school, you'd understand.
I have several airline pilot friends who came up through the civilian ranks. Each of them are stand up guys and I don't feel that they are any less of a pilot than me. Some couldn't make the cut in the military and some didn't want to go the military route but none of them feel entitled and make excuses saying that they didn't have a choice. I also have military friends who could not land a major airline gig right out of the service and had to do some time in the trenches. Again, all stand up guys who've paid their dues and are all now at the big three and/or FedEx/UPS.
Lashing out and name calling doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I find it funny that so many of you suffer from inferiority complex and live with your heads in the sand. As for my humbleness in the cockpit, I'm very low key at work. I can count with one hand the occasions where I have not been invited to have a drink/meal with the captain/crew on my layovers. I didn't get to where I am in life by all luck and good fortune. I do thank my lucky stars for having the opportunity to do the things only a few can ever fantasize of doing and having multiple legacy/FedEx/SWA job offers when I separated. Arrogance or not, these are the facts bro.
Good on you for getting where you’re at. Don’t give me the speech about life and can’t hacking it with thin skin... I was was an enlisted Navy guy and I noticed Navy academy pilots were dicks. Had nothing to do with me lacking respect but purely observing the cockiness of those D bags that thought they were on a different level of greatness, it was almost comical. Doesn’t mean I have thin skin, I had to pay my dues just as you did internally, just in different ways. Prior enlisted, ROTC and OTS guys seemed more laid back than Academy guys because they didn’t suffer from that “gotta be the shining stud or I’m a loser” mentality. I also played sports my entire childhood, one in particular where your mouth or arrogance didn’t matter, what you showed on the mat did.
Glad you pointed out the fact that you know and respect all the guys that have broke into the career in a multitude of different ways. All Im trying to say is respect that and don’t take a crap on the way others have to make it to where you’re at. You seemed to hint that towards the end of your statement, and showed a bit of gratitude and humbleness of how you made it to where you’re now positioned in the career. Good on you and best of luck in your career, it wasn’t personal and I’m sure you don’t take it that way. I just hate it when those that don’t have a persective from the trenches sh*t on those that are currently fighting to get out of them, which many top knotch have guys are trying to do. They may not have any pointy nose time but they can fly an airliner just as you can, because it ain’t that hard and all it takes is the right attitude and willingness to work together to solve problems
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08-30-2018 | 08:23 PM
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And [MENTION=65660]Work4life[/MENTION] respect isn’t earned because you were appointed an officer through some academy. Respect is earned through the way you lead and interact with those you’re in charged of. I’m guessing you were the type to just expect respect, not earn it. I could be wrong, but by your internet tough guy attitude I find it very hard to believe that you were a respectable officer during your time as a leader in the military. I could be wrong, but again I just go by observations and initial interactions, which yours suck btw
08-30-2018 | 10:07 PM
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And [MENTION=65660]Work4life[/MENTION] respect isn’t earned because you were appointed an officer through some academy. Respect is earned through the way you lead and interact with those you’re in charged of. I’m guessing you were the type to just expect respect, not earn it. I could be wrong, but by your internet tough guy attitude I find it very hard to believe that you were a respectable officer during your time as a leader in the military. I could be wrong, but again I just go by observations and initial interactions, which yours suck btw
I see that a lot of the people on here are butt hurt from my comments. I’ll own up to my approach of brutal honesty but truth does hurt. We each have a choice of dealing with it head on or continue in denial. I have always believed that truth not only sets us free but also shines the light on our weaknesses and flaws so that we can do something about them. A great coach whom I highly respected once taught me to embrace my weaknesses and overcome them through hard work, discipline, and determination to never give up. It seemed to have worked for me. My 2 cents for what it’s worth.
08-30-2018 | 10:22 PM
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Low key doesn’t equate to being a poosey. I’ve expressed my feelings to CAs I’ve flown with, when asked. I don’t sugar coat things, inside or out of the cockpit.
True, respect is something earned and not based on the markings of the epaulettes. I’m not pretentious and I don’t beat around the bush. I like the direct approach and I’ve expected the same from my subordinates as well as my bosses. I can use a little more tact but I’ve always received positive feedback on my leadership style from majority of the dudes in my squadron. If I weren’t a respectable officer as you say, I should not have received the title of distinguished grad from majority of training courses and schools that I’ve attended. I guess officership doesn’t play a roll for weapons school selection either. How about CGO of the Year? Or below the zone promotion to O-4? I guess I don’t meet your high standards of exceptional officership. I’m far from perfect but who really is?
I see that a lot of the people on here are butt hurt from my comments. I’ll own up to my approach of brutal honesty but truth does hurt. We each have a choice of dealing with it head on or continue in denial. I have always believed that truth not only sets us free but also shines the light on our weaknesses and flaws so that we can do something about them. A great coach whom I highly respected once taught me to embrace my weaknesses and overcome them through hard work, discipline, and determination to never give up. It seemed to have worked for me. My 2 cents for what it’s worth.
True, respect is something earned and not based on the markings of the epaulettes. I’m not pretentious and I don’t beat around the bush. I like the direct approach and I’ve expected the same from my subordinates as well as my bosses. I can use a little more tact but I’ve always received positive feedback on my leadership style from majority of the dudes in my squadron. If I weren’t a respectable officer as you say, I should not have received the title of distinguished grad from majority of training courses and schools that I’ve attended. I guess officership doesn’t play a roll for weapons school selection either. How about CGO of the Year? Or below the zone promotion to O-4? I guess I don’t meet your high standards of exceptional officership. I’m far from perfect but who really is?
I see that a lot of the people on here are butt hurt from my comments. I’ll own up to my approach of brutal honesty but truth does hurt. We each have a choice of dealing with it head on or continue in denial. I have always believed that truth not only sets us free but also shines the light on our weaknesses and flaws so that we can do something about them. A great coach whom I highly respected once taught me to embrace my weaknesses and overcome them through hard work, discipline, and determination to never give up. It seemed to have worked for me. My 2 cents for what it’s worth.
I’m a **** on Q400 gear slinger and rarely butt my head into major discussions, but this I felt needed some intervention based on your complete inaccurate observation of Horizon Air.
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08-31-2018 | 12:52 AM
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I’m still trying to figure out if you are a troll.... A lot of bravado and douche coming through the keyboard. Most of my fighter buds let their work speak for themselves and are humble to a fault. Please take an honest look at you last posts and see how you have come off to everyone. If I was a hiring guy I wouldn’t let you get within 100 feet of the door to my company. Majors don’t need arrogant jocks in seat pontificating about their below the zone promotion. Please......
08-31-2018 | 03:35 AM
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Low key doesn’t equate to being a poosey. I’ve expressed my feelings to CAs I’ve flown with, when asked. I don’t sugar coat things, inside or out of the cockpit.
True, respect is something earned and not based on the markings of the epaulettes. I’m not pretentious and I don’t beat around the bush. I like the direct approach and I’ve expected the same from my subordinates as well as my bosses. I can use a little more tact but I’ve always received positive feedback on my leadership style from majority of the dudes in my squadron. If I weren’t a respectable officer as you say, I should not have received the title of distinguished grad from majority of training courses and schools that I’ve attended. I guess officership doesn’t play a roll for weapons school selection either. How about CGO of the Year? Or below the zone promotion to O-4? I guess I don’t meet your high standards of exceptional officership. I’m far from perfect but who really is?
I see that a lot of the people on here are butt hurt from my comments. I’ll own up to my approach of brutal honesty but truth does hurt. We each have a choice of dealing with it head on or continue in denial. I have always believed that truth not only sets us free but also shines the light on our weaknesses and flaws so that we can do something about them. A great coach whom I highly respected once taught me to embrace my weaknesses and overcome them through hard work, discipline, and determination to never give up. It seemed to have worked for me. My 2 cents for what it’s worth.
True, respect is something earned and not based on the markings of the epaulettes. I’m not pretentious and I don’t beat around the bush. I like the direct approach and I’ve expected the same from my subordinates as well as my bosses. I can use a little more tact but I’ve always received positive feedback on my leadership style from majority of the dudes in my squadron. If I weren’t a respectable officer as you say, I should not have received the title of distinguished grad from majority of training courses and schools that I’ve attended. I guess officership doesn’t play a roll for weapons school selection either. How about CGO of the Year? Or below the zone promotion to O-4? I guess I don’t meet your high standards of exceptional officership. I’m far from perfect but who really is?
I see that a lot of the people on here are butt hurt from my comments. I’ll own up to my approach of brutal honesty but truth does hurt. We each have a choice of dealing with it head on or continue in denial. I have always believed that truth not only sets us free but also shines the light on our weaknesses and flaws so that we can do something about them. A great coach whom I highly respected once taught me to embrace my weaknesses and overcome them through hard work, discipline, and determination to never give up. It seemed to have worked for me. My 2 cents for what it’s worth.
08-31-2018 | 05:12 AM
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08-31-2018 | 05:23 AM
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I should not have received the title of distinguished grad from majority of training courses and schools that I’ve attended. I guess officership doesn’t play a roll for weapons school selection either. How about CGO of the Year? Or below the zone promotion to O-4? I guess I don’t meet your high standards of exceptional officership.
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