RadialGal

Can I play in your sandbox now Guys?

You have no idea how awkward it has gotten for us Gal's in the Cockpit. I miss the days of pulling off a Yoke cover and seeing who gave the titties a better rating.

I feel for you guys; I do. But do you have any idea what this is going to do for us Sane(ish) Ladies on the Line? Adios (or in her case Aloha) Layover social life!

I don't think I will be able to hear the song Black Betty the same again......

Golly

RadialGal

symbian simian

My wife and I are both airline pilot, both of us have been doing this for 20 years (together). It very unlikely you get into trouble if you behave normally (and that includes drinking the layover length allows).

Packrat

"Black Betty". Now that's some funny stuff. Kinda dates you though, RG.

Bam-a-lam!

dawgdriver

LMFAO. Well played, sir.

A Squared

Y'know, sometimes people listen to songs which came out before they were born. Just sayin'

dawgdriver

I feel for you too,... but you have to put yourself in men's shoes; what may be unpleasant to you is career-ending for men. Not exactly apples to apples, men are primarily the ones getting the bulk of dreaded calls from HR. Not saying the reverse doesn't happen, but the number of complaints/terminations pale in comparison and are far less likely to be taken seriously. And yes, I've witnessed jaw-dropping harassment-- from women, more times than I can count.

Unfortunately the damage is likely to be permanent. Relations have been strained and the workplace tension is palpable; sexual correctness is here to stay. FO Pina didn't help matters, but the litany of accusations, coming from every sector, private and public, have ensured a 'new normal'. In a fashion reminiscent of the Kavanaugh nomination (circus?), the threads relating to this story reveal how many don't hesitate to convict men without a shred of evidence. ("We believe the survivors!!")

Considering a recent study that found millennials to consider even innocuous compliments to be sexual harassment, it doesn't appear conditions will improve anytime soon, especially when combined with the US government's definition of harassment. Originally defined as "Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment"..... Sounds quite reasonable until they later added... "unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance, or creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive work environment." The addition makes it far more nebulous, difficult to define, and up to the whims of the accuser and rests on the shoulders of the accused to disprove. One only needs to be 'offended' to qualify and the corporate culture will quickly investigate for fear of liability. What constitutes offensive is subjective but weighs heavily in favor of the initiator.

Short answer, due to the actions of a few (opportunists), the reactions of others (special interest groups), and over-reactions of the hyper-politicized (terrified) corporate and government culture, the weaponization of the woman's movement in the workplace has taken what was once much-needed woman equal rights, protection and compensation, to a ridiculously paranoid level of discourse between genders. Given the similar tensions surrounding topics dealing with racial sensitivities, it only makes sense that lite, fun, social banter in the workplace has been placed in the same muzzled category as religion and politics. Who needs it?? The fear of losing one's career via an innocent comment or misinterpreted word is not worth the risk. More and more, the philosophy of keeping discussions/interactions sterile, sober, and boring is setting in.

Slam, click. Leave the sandbox at home.

RadialGal

dawgdriver

Oh don't get me wrong; you poor guys are screwed; defiantly got the stinky end of the stick. Just wanted to put the ladies perspective out there. Yours is potentially job ending; mine is more annoying. But it is so frustrating.

I feel like pretty soon we will be rolling around the ramp in a Hamster Ball.

PS "Black Betty" was before my time; but I still love the song!

Now you kids get the heck off my lawn!

RadialGal

ShyGuy

From the comic 'Coffee and Pretzels'..............

ForeverJunior

Coffee & Pretzels is excellent. I follow on Instagram.

I know he's one of our Airbus guys. His cartoons throughout this whole merger process have been on-point.

sourdough44

One of my favorite songs to hum on the layover.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lpzqQst-Sg8