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#122
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Hopefully your wife does the grammar in your family!
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#126
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#127
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From: Delta Diamond Medallion Professional Passenger
I find this story to be very significant not only for the airline community but for the nation. Interesting that when you search this story online, you still see 99% or more of the information from the original claims while news of the latest suit by Capt. Engelien is almost nowhere to be found.
Somehow, CNN finally picked up the story and was trending well on their Apple News feed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/28/us/al...uit/index.html
Somehow, CNN finally picked up the story and was trending well on their Apple News feed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/28/us/al...uit/index.html
#128
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From: Delta Diamond Medallion Professional Passenger
Also, as a physician who worked in a Rape Crisis Center during the 1990's, I am constantly dumbfounded at the number of people who make claims without reporting the crime and getting the proper help that is available in the hours after the event. There are highly trained, compassionate people there to make sure you get help regarding a potential STD or pregnancy, and tactfully deal with any injuries while collecting evidence in the most unobtrusive way possible. You think you might have been drugged? Then they can run a toxicology screen ideally within 12 hours. Behind the scenes, we make detailed reports and submit all evidence under lock and key with proper chain of custody. That is the procedure. Crimes like sexual assault have serious consequences, and there is a proper way to get the necessary medical treatment and obtain evidence in the aftermath. Some of the most talented docs and nurses in the country work in these clinics, and even if you are in a "strange" city, there is a uniformity in the protocols and how these trained professionals do their jobs.
Alcohol intoxication when dehydrated and with little food on board (well-known that particular lounge does not serve much food at all) can occur quickly and mimic lots of drugs. To say or report that one was drugged, must be accompanied by the proper toxicology screen or it should not be mentioned at all, nor used to smear another's reputation if it can never be proven in the future. I find that the media is quite derelict in reporting accusations that could be proven, but the window for proof has long since closed. Spending hundreds of words to describe an event, thinking the word "accused" or "alleged" appearing once will somehow lessen the impact, is ludicrous. Google does a great job of indexing last names and a lousy job of indexing the word "alleged".
The other issue in our social media, click-bait-fueled society is that people love to claim "freedom of speech" yet are unaware that right is not a license to slander someone, nor is it part of a "free" press.
This case has the potential to rewrite how events like this are handled at the corporate level and how they are investigated by these paid "third parties". I feel terrible for both human parties involved for different reasons, and it should have never come to this. I don't feel sorry at all for the corporate parties who appear to be quite delinquent.
I always felt that airlines have a certain disdain for their passengers, but not until reading these boards did I realize how much disdain they can exhibit toward the talented (but, in their eyes, replaceable) professionals that deliver their product.
Alcohol intoxication when dehydrated and with little food on board (well-known that particular lounge does not serve much food at all) can occur quickly and mimic lots of drugs. To say or report that one was drugged, must be accompanied by the proper toxicology screen or it should not be mentioned at all, nor used to smear another's reputation if it can never be proven in the future. I find that the media is quite derelict in reporting accusations that could be proven, but the window for proof has long since closed. Spending hundreds of words to describe an event, thinking the word "accused" or "alleged" appearing once will somehow lessen the impact, is ludicrous. Google does a great job of indexing last names and a lousy job of indexing the word "alleged".
The other issue in our social media, click-bait-fueled society is that people love to claim "freedom of speech" yet are unaware that right is not a license to slander someone, nor is it part of a "free" press.
This case has the potential to rewrite how events like this are handled at the corporate level and how they are investigated by these paid "third parties". I feel terrible for both human parties involved for different reasons, and it should have never come to this. I don't feel sorry at all for the corporate parties who appear to be quite delinquent.
I always felt that airlines have a certain disdain for their passengers, but not until reading these boards did I realize how much disdain they can exhibit toward the talented (but, in their eyes, replaceable) professionals that deliver their product.
#129
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Did I miss something or did they not state in the CNN article that Betty Pina was no longer employed by Alaska Airlines? I read through it twice, couldn't find it(?). Intentional? Would it shed a bad light on the #MeToo movement?
#130
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According to LinkedIn
Left Alaska July 2018
Hired at Empire Airlines / ‘Ohana Airlines as a street Captain Sep 2018.
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