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Peoloto 12-15-2018 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2725568)
2014 hires at Delta are the lottery. Those guys are like 10k out of 14.5k today. You start at Delta today, you’ll have 4,600 ahead of you with their average newhire age of 37.

And 8,000 behind you in less than 10 years. Those retirement numbers don’t change. Funny since you’re actively trying to get on too.

ShyGuy 12-15-2018 01:42 PM

Why so uptight, maybe loosen up a button or two. Leaving one legacy airline for another legacy is a game of risk that requires calculation with many factors lined up against you the longer you've already been here. I'm at 8th yr in a couple months which means move across the country and stick it out to see what happens. The opportunity cost is high now.

Strictly speaking in terms of newhires, AA has had the lowest, then United, then Delta. In terms of average newhire ages, Delta has had the youngest average, then United, then American. AA is skewed older because of the predominant numbers of senior regional flows and military guys coming out of 20 yr careers. In terms of retirements, AA has by far the biggest in 10 yrs with 8,300. Those are all factors to consider for someone who may consider leaving to start over at the big 3.

noodle 12-15-2018 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by rdb253 (Post 2725478)
3 and a half years in at Alaska and I bid for 14-15 day off lines. I'm sure they aren't jealous of the schedule here nor the inflexibility of it.

We need a good scheduling mou. Less than 2 years on the Airbus gets you 18-19 days off even with the reduced trip productivity.

flysnoopy76 12-15-2018 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by noodle (Post 2725904)
We need a good scheduling mou. Less than 2 years on the Airbus gets you 18-19 days off even with the reduced trip productivity.

What your saying is correct but next month it likely gets you reserve, at least if your sfo based.

Klsytakesit 12-15-2018 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by noodle (Post 2725904)
We need a good scheduling mou. Less than 2 years on the Airbus gets you 18-19 days off even with the reduced trip productivity.

You do know that MOU process is DOA. It will become part of Sec 6 in
2020 where it belonged in the first place. 14 day off avg lines are the norm.

noodle 12-15-2018 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2725975)
You do know that MOU process is DOA. It will become part of Sec 6 in
2020 where it belonged in the first place. 14 day off avg lines are the norm.

Why does it belong there? I get the mou isn't going anywhere, but you seem to want avg 14 days off till the next contract. Why? Are you senior and since you had to go through it others below you should too? I would like to think we could come together on something like more days off even if it came before a contract cycle. I guess if we can't get behind that then we are doomed. I don't believe you represent the majority though.

Peoloto 12-15-2018 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by WutFace (Post 2725512)
I really appreciate you Delta guys coming in and setting the record straight. The ALK bubble in Seattle is strong and these guys have convinced themselves they've got the best jobs in the industry.

Thanks for laying down some hard facts. Maybe it will help them rethink their situations.

It's the strongest Kool Aid I've ever seen.

ELAC321 12-15-2018 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 2725346)
We I am approaching 2 years at Alaska and I am bidding 64% in Seattle. Friends at Delta on the 73 in Seattle are 84% at 4 years. That is how I sleep, using math.

:rolleyes: 2 years and already you have a superiority complex

atooraya 12-16-2018 11:00 AM

How do you get hired on at Delta with a 2014 hire date now? Or even a 2016 hire date if one would want to?

Just wondering because we're entering 2019, and with the amount of young guys getting hired at the legacies, you're looking at a nice long career of either a senior FO in 20 years or a reserve captain.

Baradium 12-16-2018 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 2726326)
How do you get hired on at Delta with a 2014 hire date now? Or even a 2016 hire date if one would want to?

Just wondering because we're entering 2019, and with the amount of young guys getting hired at the legacies, you're looking at a nice long career of either a senior FO in 20 years or a reserve captain.

I was going to ask if you ignored the retirement numbers, but I already know the answer because otherwise you wouldn't have said that. Even if every pilot hired so far is younger than someone hired right now, there are still so many retirements that you'd be looking at being a line-holding captain in half that time or less.


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