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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 2725904)

We need a good scheduling mou. Less than 2 years on the Airbus gets you 18-19 days off even with the reduced trip productivity.

The Boeing average segment is 300nm more than the bus; Your trips are better because your scheduling committee does a better job than ours.

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Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2726357)

I was going to ask if you ignored the retirement numbers, but I already know the answer because otherwise you wouldn't have said that. Even if every pilot hired so far is younger than someone hired right now, there are still so many retirements that you'd be looking at being a line-holding captain in half that time or less.

What was the answer you came up with? I'm looking at 25% of Alaska's list retiring in 11 years and 49% at Delta. At 51% on the seniority list, you can be a line holding captain at Delta?

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Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 2726431)

What was the answer you came up with? I'm looking at 25% of Alaska's list retiring in 11 years and 49% at Delta. At 51% on the seniority list, you can be a line holding captain at Delta?

Can’t speak for Delta, but at United 69.9% got it for December in SFO on a NB. So yeah, inside of 10 years to lineholding CA.

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Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 2726431)

What was the answer you came up with? I'm looking at 25% of Alaska's list retiring in 11 years and 49% at Delta. At 51% on the seniority list, you can be a line holding captain at Delta?

easily, yes. :eek3:

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Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 2726431)

What was the answer you came up with? I'm looking at 25% of Alaska's list retiring in 11 years and 49% at Delta. At 51% on the seniority list, you can be a line holding captain at Delta?

You serious Clark?

1/15 hire holding a line as a 737 captain
3/15 hire holding a line as a 717 captain
1/15 hire holding a line as a 320 captain
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Going to Delta is an easy decision if you’ve been here less than 5 years. Anything beyond that, you’re leaving as an AS Captain to start over. That’s a risky proposition to give up that much. Only 2 years at AS? It’s much easier to leave and start over because you aren’t giving up much.

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 2726082)

Why does it belong there? I get the mou isn't going anywhere, but you seem to want avg 14 days off till the next contract. Why? Are you senior and since you had to go through it others below you should too? I would like to think we could come together on something like more days off even if it came before a contract cycle. I guess if we can't get behind that then we are doomed. I don't believe you represent the majority though.

I am sure that I do t represent anyone. And closing in on 20yrs I hold lousy low credit 14-15 day off lines. Life by MOU is bad. We get choked by them and AS ignores them. Any collaboration with those people this close to Sec 6 hurts us and helps them. It becomes a fishing expedition for them. Improving the quality of your life is not now, never has been and likely never will be on their to-do list.

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Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 2726431)

What was the answer you came up with? I'm looking at 25% of Alaska's list retiring in 11 years and 49% at Delta. At 51% on the seniority list, you can be a line holding captain at Delta?

Since others already answered the yes/no, I'll fill you in on some of the why.

There are pilots who choose to bid FO's as senior pilots. There are a lot of opportunities for a senior FO in a category. The #1 FO for NYC A220 would be the #1 CA if he'd bid for it. Without having spoken to him, he is likely planning on bidding to fly with LCA so he gets bought off most trips and can either get paid to not come in or green slip and get triple pay. Add onto that the widebody categories where there are more than a few who would prefer to be career FOs with the widebody schedule rather than fly domestic and there are a fair number of senior pilots flying right seat and we aren't even touching those who don't want to upgrade if they can hold a better schedule as an FO period or CAs biddin to be senior reserve. This means CA seats and CA lines go more junior.

Again this is only for accuracy. I'm sure the above applies to any airline that has both narrowbody and widebody flying.

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2726556)

Disagree. If you are a 12 year captain it still makes financial sense to leave for one of the big 3(depending how much time left). In less than 5 years you'd be making more at UA or DL...maybe more at AA depending on upgrade time. Your QOL would take a big hit during those years in terms of vacations and days off but would recover.

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What we also forget is having an economic downturn. You’d be giving up a potential safety net. Remember when you zig the industry will zag and leave you out to dry. It’s a terrible industry to gamble in.