Originally Posted by AltoCumulus

If you start your zone at 6pm is it realistic to expect to be off at midnight? What about the day you come back? Should you start your zone at midnight, or do you expect to be able to be off most of your first day at work? So you start at 1700 on day 1 Andrew end at midnight on day 5 which effectively means that if you aren’t used by day 4 you can just go home. That sounds like about 3 full days of reserve. Sure, we could negotiate that, but that would come with a high negotiating cost
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Originally Posted by AKpilotdude

Great post altocumulus, thx!


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Originally Posted by lowflying

You may not think we deserve to be treated as human beings but many of us do. Just because Brad and Ben have been lining the shareholders pockets with the help of the most productive pilots in the industry doesn't mean we need to give up before the fight has even begun. Spirit and JetBlue both have calendar day language. Here's JetBlue's:

A Long Call Reserve Pilot on his last day of a Reserve block
without an assigned Pairing shall be auto-released at 0800 Base
local time.
ii. A Short Call Reserve Pilot on his last day of a Reserve block,
without an assigned Pairing, shall be auto-released six (6) hours
after RAP start or 1700 Base local time, whichever is earlier.

Originally Posted by ImperialxRat

Do they have different RAP times like we do, or are they on reserve for the entire calendar day?

Originally Posted by AltoCumulus

I get those e-mails all the time for years, I wouldn’t worry about it.

I do agree that there is lots of room for improvement in our contract but there are some myths out there that I don’t think are as huge a deal as some on here make it out to be once you understand how it works. You can cherry pick bad provisions or good provisions from every airline contract and make yourself feel better or worse about your situation at-will, but if you are going to evaluate if you should come here or not you need to take the entirety of the contract into account.

As far as days off go, your day off starts at a specific time which is 4 hours after the end of your contactability perIod on your last day. Know that you can and will be used until that time. Alaska has contactability periods starting as early as 2am and as late as 6pm. Those on here proposing calendar days off probably come from airlines operating in one time zone or with operations that shut down after 11pm. If you start your zone at 6pm is it realistic to expect to be off at midnight? What about the day you come back? Should you start your zone at midnight, or do you expect to be able to be off most of your first day at work? So you start at 1700 on day 1 Andrew end at midnight on day 5 which effectively means that if you aren’t used by day 4 you can just go home. That sounds like about 3 full days of reserve. Sure, we could negotiate that, but that would come with a high negotiating cost

Originally Posted by ImperialxRat

Do they have different RAP times like we do, or are they on reserve for the entire calendar day?

Originally Posted by AJ Crowley

wow, this explains why we have the junk reserve/work rules we do. I really pray you are in the minority come 2020.

Originally Posted by Klsytakesit

KoolAid is a tidal wave in the PDX/SEA/ANC zone. However, comparing operational needs such as reserve zones and reserve usage between the two airlines is comparing apples to square pegs.

Originally Posted by WutFace

An airline is an airline. It has a schedule, and planes, and pilots to fly them. Stop excuse making for crappy rules.