Southwests' Entrance to Hawaii
03-06-2019, 10:03 AM
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News flash. SWA's entrance into Hawaii was mainly driven by west coast travelers and California pax in particular.
Douche Machine and some Maryland newspaper hardly count as credible insight into SWAs reasoning for its Hawaii schedule.
Douche Machine and some Maryland newspaper hardly count as credible insight into SWAs reasoning for its Hawaii schedule.
03-06-2019, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing
SWA's entrance into Hawaii was mainly driven by west coast travelers and California pax in particular.
03-06-2019, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
You guys this really is not a big deal. SWA will fly mainly SWA mileage plan members to the islands. They do what they do very well. Honestly, give our guys some credit. Our future is bright and our company is unbelievably strong. We will be fine, we are not going anywhere.
Filling up the plane with point redemptions is exactly what they want to do...those points weren’t given away for free!
03-06-2019, 12:13 PM
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please stop bringing logic into this discussion
Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Oh you saw that ridiculously good Chase Rapid Reward CC offer, almost giving Companion Pass away? Where do you think we want to pull those NEW card members from?
Filling up the plane with point redemptions is exactly what they want to do...those points weren’t given away for free!
Filling up the plane with point redemptions is exactly what they want to do...those points weren’t given away for free!
03-06-2019, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Oh you saw that ridiculously good Chase Rapid Reward CC offer, almost giving Companion Pass away? Where do you think we want to pull those NEW card members from?
Filling up the plane with point redemptions is exactly what they want to do...those points weren’t given away for free!
Filling up the plane with point redemptions is exactly what they want to do...those points weren’t given away for free!
03-06-2019, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing
The first time SWA bought ETOPS airplanes was when the -700 was introduced in the 90's. Aloha used them for ETOPS proving runs if I'm not mistaken.
Is that what you're referring to? Or are you saying that SWA has sought ETOPS approval in the past and been turned down?
Is that what you're referring to? Or are you saying that SWA has sought ETOPS approval in the past and been turned down?
03-06-2019, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
Yes, back in 20012. SWA bought 28 ETOPS 800s with plans to start Hawaii service. They didn't get very far.
03-06-2019, 01:31 PM
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They never applied for ETOPS. Yes they had issues with class 2 navigation which is on them for not being prepared, but they decided to deploy the aircraft on other revenue streams versus Hawaii for revenue reasons. It was not because they were denied an ETOPS certificate.
03-06-2019, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
Laugh all you want, historically Alaska has done extremely well competing head to head with Southwest. This is so true that if Alaska could pick its competitor, every time we would ask for Southwest. So laugh all you want but check back in 2025. Don’t get me wrong I am confident there is plenty of room for both Alaska and Southwest in the islands.
Over the past few quarters, Alaska Airlines has rethought its growth plans in light of its subpar results. One key takeaway is that the carrier's late-2018 and 2019 growth will be centered on the Seattle region, where Alaska is the leading airline. By contrast, it grew rapidly in California in 2017 and early 2018, sparking a damaging fare war with Southwest Airlines (NYSE:LUV).
Alaska Airlines has already eliminated numerous underperforming routes from California this year and reduced capacity on others. A few more routes will be cut between now and early 2019.
03-06-2019, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing
I think you're getting your butts kicked pretty hard in California, and that's including those pesky little planes that are being allowed to fly for you with your scope, or lack thereof.
Over the past few quarters, Alaska Airlines has rethought its growth plans in light of its subpar results. One key takeaway is that the carrier's late-2018 and 2019 growth will be centered on the Seattle region, where Alaska is the leading airline. By contrast, it grew rapidly in California in 2017 and early 2018, sparking a damaging fare war with Southwest Airlines (NYSE:LUV).
Alaska Airlines has already eliminated numerous underperforming routes from California this year and reduced capacity on others. A few more routes will be cut between now and early 2019.
Over the past few quarters, Alaska Airlines has rethought its growth plans in light of its subpar results. One key takeaway is that the carrier's late-2018 and 2019 growth will be centered on the Seattle region, where Alaska is the leading airline. By contrast, it grew rapidly in California in 2017 and early 2018, sparking a damaging fare war with Southwest Airlines (NYSE:LUV).
Alaska Airlines has already eliminated numerous underperforming routes from California this year and reduced capacity on others. A few more routes will be cut between now and early 2019.
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