Compass was created by NWA with an agreement that Compass pilots would flow up when hiring began again and furloughed NWA pilots would flow back to the left seat of a E175 when times were tough. Only a few furloughed NWA DC9 FO's flowed back after 911. After the DAL/NWA merger, all Compass pilots on the list when NWA created them were offered a flow to Delta. IIRC..some flowed without a degree..maybe 700 total? Once that was complete..DAL sold off Compass to Trans States. All Compass pilots hired after that date did not have a flow agreement.

I dont think any original Compass pilots had the rug pulled out from under them..but your buddy knows more about it than I do.

I'm glad DAL honored the flow up to mainline for those that agreed to a flow back to the left seat of the E175..even though it was negotiated by NWA before the merger.

Jmho..CG

To the OP. Please check the history of flow through agreements and how they have worked out overall.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. However it’s always best to try and get hired someplace based on effort and merit. As opposed to relying on a flow through.


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Eye have all the flow I need from drinking a 30 of NattyBo last night son.

I remember when Compass was created. ‘06-‘07 with the old ACA certificate right? I interviewed there when faced with furlough in ‘08. I ended up staying at my current airline at the time but my buddy left and is now at DAL. I thought I remembered him telling me that at the time of sale to Trans States, there were new hires who would not get the flow agreement. It sounds like from you and Bradium, he was referring to future new hires. I was under the impression he meant those already in class a those fresh out of the school house. I’ll ask him and put the issue to rest.

My other cases in point stand though. I know many a former CoEx pilot that was stripped of their flow. I know many an Eagle/Envoy pilot that got jacked around on their flow. I also know many a current XJT pilot with complaints about the way UAL has handled their CPP.

All I’m saying is the OP’s friends are not experiencing anything new to this industry. The aged old carrot of flow/CPP has bitten many a pilot in the rear and should be used as a back up at best. As someone said earlier in the thread, if you’re basing your flying on the ethics of airline management, you’d better get yourself a reliable car or good pair of walking shoes because EVERY management team has employed unethical practices. If he were to scan these boards, he’d find many a bait-n-switch story.

Was that on OTZ's boat? :)

You guessed it brochacho. All the Cheetos I could handle as well. It’s a classy yacht.

How to respond to this thread? Laughable and unsurprising? Most of my F.O.'s here at Alaska dont have any or little PIC time. It doesnt make them bad pilots, just less experienced. And they've got the time to learn what they need to learn.

To think that alaska managment can be trusted to do anything but it what's best for profitability and corporate welfare is a dream everyone should wake from. Once you discard their lies, stop reading their emails and start reading their financial statements (10q/10k) you will find they are quite predictable. Then make your career choices appropriately.

This is why I say airline pilots are idiots. They think the company revolves around them. Of course management does what's best for profitability. That's their job, and their duty to shareholders.

Like losing almost 50% of your company’s value? 😂

Or paying $4B for something worth $1.5B?