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Old 04-11-2019, 09:50 AM   #11  
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Right on, av8or...

Couldn't agree with you more. I totally understand where the L-VX pilots are coming from. For the L-AS pilots who think the Airbus guys and gals are whining, just try to listen and have empathy. The JFK closure was the ultimate shaft job, IMHO, not to mention a decision by Angle Lake that will bite them in the future. Imagine having an East Coast crew base when **** hits the fan on the Eastern Seaboard.

In any case, it's easy for all of us to be negative and feel frustrated, but that's all thanks to B&B's actions (or lack there of).

Let's make this a better place to work for the entire pilot group.
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So you’re saying his aspirations at VX we’re to be purchased and the only way for those things to happen at VX was indeed a buy out? Then why complain about something that wasn’t happening in ones career before and isn’t now? It’s become endless complaining for the sake of complaining. AS has been going to HI for more than a decade but as soon as SWA begins HI the complaining starts that we’re going to lose all our pax and our 737 service is going to be inferior to their 737 service. Now JB announces London and the complaint is that we’re not going to Europe and we have no growth. So I see that with these guys, it wouldn’t matter if we were going into a market or not because with them, we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. He doesn’t like AS, I get it and that’s perfectly fine. What wears me out is the complaining as if VX was going to be growing into an international success and AS prevented that from happening. The guy is doing the exact same type of flying the day the acquisition was announced and was content to do for his career. How many big international airlines are there? If you aren’t already, you’ll be bald from pulling out your hair worrying about what every other airline does.
What's your obsession with VX? You're the one bringing it up all the time. Every now and then you make a good point, but this whole battered wife routine you go into is really starting to wear thin.

No one is talking about Virgin except you. No one defends Alaska management, their abuses, and lack of vision more than you.

You're so defensive that you immediately pipe up with the whataboutisms... it's stale. I can't believe that I have to say it again. The first step to improving your situation is recognizing that it sucks. Wake up.
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What's your obsession with VX? You're the one bringing it up all the time. Every now and then you make a good point, but this whole battered wife routine you go into is really starting to wear thin.

No one is talking about Virgin except you. No one defends Alaska management, their abuses, and lack of vision more than you.

You're so defensive that you immediately pipe up with the whataboutisms... it's stale. I can't believe that I have to say it again. The first step to improving your situation is recognizing that it sucks. Wake up.
There's recognition of the situation and then there's endless complaining for the sake of complaining and that's what's stale.

Everything that happens no matter what it is, conjurs up another round of the same complaints molded to fit the current circumstance. All you guys do is plagiarize the last guys complaints and put a different thread title on it.

If another airline does anything, we're doomed. If another airline doesn't do something, we're doomed.

You've got me figured all wrong bud. I understand you're situation probably better than most. I've lived it. Base closures, check. Forced into a transcon commutes, check. Downsized and furloughs, check.

My beef is the contant chicken little bull******. I know the score here at AS and I know what needs to improve. I advocate constantly for it. Never have I defended AS management. You pull that out of your a** because it sounds better to you and your friends. I'm on your team but I cringe when people constantly complain about their situation especially when many aspect of their former situation was similar.
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JetBlue announced new service to London today.


It’s cool though, last year we announced starting service to Paine field in RJs!!!!!!!!!!!! We are good.

Can you believe the nerve of these guys flying long distances in airbii? They should have bought the 737 for these long routes.



God I wish we worked for an airline with any level of creativity or thirst for growth.

Why focus on only their one positive news, even that being 2 yrs down the road. How about their big negative news on the west coast? They were just forced to give up 11 of their 33 slots at LGB. 1/3 their LGB capacity to be gone. What do you think that means for their LGB base? A base already hard to get for them is about to become even more senior. I know a guy at jetblue who lives in California that commutes to JFK and is absolutely ticked off at the LGB news. He said he doesn’t care much for London. Go figure.

It’s not all plum and rosey at jetBlue.
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It’s not all plum and rosey at jetBlue.
Articulate that too well and you're a troll.
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Why focus on only their one positive news, even that being 2 yrs down the road. How about their big negative news on the west coast? They were just forced to give up 11 of their 33 slots at LGB. 1/3 their LGB capacity to be gone. What do you think that means for their LGB base? A base already hard to get for them is about to become even more senior. I know a guy at jetblue who lives in California that commutes to JFK and is absolutely ticked off at the LGB news. He said he doesn’t care much for London. Go figure.



It’s not all plum and rosey at jetBlue.


JetBlue was already not flying those slots. No change from last year when we quit using them.


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Right on, av8or...



Couldn't agree with you more. I totally understand where the L-VX pilots are coming from. For the L-AS pilots who think the Airbus guys and gals are whining, just try to listen and have empathy. The JFK closure was the ultimate shaft job, IMHO, not to mention a decision by Angle Lake that will bite them in the future. Imagine having an East Coast crew base when **** hits the fan on the Eastern Seaboard.



In any case, it's easy for all of us to be negative and feel frustrated, but that's all thanks to B&B's actions (or lack there of).



Let's make this a better place to work for the entire pilot group.


Haha empathy! It’s the one thing missing from the SEA base. The dynamic revolving around how our commuters are treated, the housing crisis, combined with our pay is an outstanding example of how our AS is entirely devoid of empathy.

“Oh you didn’t buy a house 15 years ago? You’re an idiot who doesn’t deserve to work here!”


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Haha empathy! It’s the one thing missing from the SEA base. The dynamic revolving around how our commuters are treated, the housing crisis, combined with our pay is an outstanding example of how our AS is entirely devoid of empathy.

“Oh you didn’t buy a house 15 years ago? You’re an idiot who doesn’t deserve to work here!”


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.......The only reason I’m even explaining this is.... the sooner more L-AS pilots can understand the L-VX perspective, the sooner we can put this behind us and move forward in unity

Alaska's management definitely placed a valuation on their equity in this petty tribal bickering before they "overpaid" for Virgin. They also understand that merely substandard T&Cs are likely to be viewed differently by the significant portion of their current pilot group who have previously shown a willingness to accept absurdly bad conditions just to get a foot in the door. It's hard to imagine anything even close to parity with industry standards emerging from the next contract cycle.
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alaska's management definitely placed a valuation on their equity in this petty tribal bickering before they "overpaid" for virgin. They also understand that merely substandard t&cs are likely to be viewed differently by the significant portion of their current pilot group who have previously shown a willingness to accept absurdly bad conditions just to get a foot in the door. It's hard to imagine anything even close to parity with industry standards emerging from the next contract cycle.
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