Alaska Trip Mix
07-30-2019, 03:37 PM
#21
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Hahahahaha the old pot calling the kettle black. You my friend are delusional. Ask anyone who has left here if the grass is greener, don’t be surprised to not get the answer you were hoping for.
You definitely fit what Alaska’s looking for in a new hire.. someone who will stand on their soap box and yell to the angry villagers to shut up because it isn’t that bad. You are a total joke.
Ps, there are three confirmed people that left ALASKA for ENVOY. Keep up the good work making money for the shareholders off of your back for less than your peers.
You definitely fit what Alaska’s looking for in a new hire.. someone who will stand on their soap box and yell to the angry villagers to shut up because it isn’t that bad. You are a total joke.
Ps, there are three confirmed people that left ALASKA for ENVOY. Keep up the good work making money for the shareholders off of your back for less than your peers.
Originally Posted by Cruz5350
No they’re just dramatic whiners, most thought when they left the regionals that mainline flying would be some great new world and it’s not. It’s just a bigger plane and bigger paycheck. Anyone who argues otherwise is delusional.
07-30-2019, 04:15 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
I haven’t seen anyone quitting to go back to these so called regionals with better reserve.... Short call is what short call is, I guess everyone just thinks they should sit around and no nothing but still be paid. Your job as a reserve pilot is to be there waiting for the phone to ring... If it doesn’t that’s great if it does you go to work. Every month of short call was 50-60 hours or less for me and when I did a month of LC under the Virgin rules Iit was terrible. I’m not seeing any changes under the new Alaska SC to cry nearly as much about as you do. The longer RAP does suck but it hasn’t changed how much I’ve blocked on any given month. I JS a ton and everything we complain about at AS seems to be about the same as what I hear from junior guys at UA or AA. The hours off comment hasn’t ever held any weight for me either so what gives? Are you just one of the countless miserable coworkers that I’ve come across now that Alaska is the new boss? Do you think your life is going to be night and day different at whatever new airline you’re going to?
EVERY person that commutes to reserve at AS that I've talked to in real life HATES their life. That is ass-backwards compared to other majors. Get your head out of the sand or you're part of the problem.
And guess what - people literally have left for regionals. And also downgraded themselves because reserve sucks so much.
07-30-2019, 07:07 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka
Ps, there are three confirmed people that left ALASKA for ENVOY. Keep up the good work making money for the shareholders off of your back for less than your peers.
Hey, YOU should apply to Envoy.
As for "Cruz5350", he's a longtime personal friend, and you are WAY off on who this guy is. While generally a positive guy in all respects, trust me, I've had to listen to him complain with the best of them MANY times about Alaska. I've had to talk him off the ledge a few times. So to say he's some sort of delusional Koolaid drinker yes man is to prove you know nothing of the man. He's under no illusions.
With that said, he's also a realist and in an overall sense enjoys his job. He's NOT a serial complainer like so many here on APC (like YOU), all the while commuting 1500 miles to his base.
Go ahead. Put your money where your mouth is. Follow the three "confirmed" (yea right) Alaska pilots who've quit and gone to Envoy, you fool, if it's so horrible.
And before you blast me as a Alaska Koolaid drinker, I'll save you the trouble and tell you I don't work there. I DO however have many friends - CA's and FO's - who work there - both legacy Alaska and Legacy Virgin America. While most feel improvements are definitely needed, they all actually are happy and like their jobs. Imagine that?! Crazy, I say. Right?!
07-30-2019, 07:10 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Out of shear luck I’ve hardly been used and have had 20 plus days off for each, and the trips I got were commutable on both ends.
I used to bid reserve when I wanted a break from flying.. LAX Boeing FO. I found that I was home more doing that compared with the hard lines of 12 days off and ANC/BWI all-nighters.
07-30-2019, 07:17 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by echelon
It's not "having to work" that people are upset about, you dunce, it's having to commute in the night before and then being used until the middle of the night on the last day. It's only getting 12 days off (if the hours thing doesn't apply - congrats if that's the case for you, everyone else I've talked to has been hosed by that). It's not being able to self-assign without exact day match. It's the 14hr RAP that you can't swap. ETC ETC ETC. Ask yourself - are you willing to take the first upgrade your seniority can hold and live under these rules for 10 years? Or would you rather have rules that are decent enough that reserve goes senior? (DAL, JBU, others)
EVERY person that commutes to reserve at AS that I've talked to in real life HATES their life. That is ass-backwards compared to other majors. Get your head out of the sand or you're part of the problem.
And guess what - people literally have left for regionals. And also downgraded themselves because reserve sucks so much.
EVERY person that commutes to reserve at AS that I've talked to in real life HATES their life. That is ass-backwards compared to other majors. Get your head out of the sand or you're part of the problem.
And guess what - people literally have left for regionals. And also downgraded themselves because reserve sucks so much.
I know him personally (great guy actually). He commutes 1500 miles one way, and has since being hired. So, while every person you've supposedly talked to hates their life, at least one who you haven't talked to DOESN'T. Yes, he's had bad days and has been ****ed off with the best of them, but he DOESN'T hate his job, even with the 1500 mile commute.
Also, anybody who would jump ship from your airline for a Regional is someone who will either become a Regional Lifer or quit the vocation altogether. Those folks are the definition of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
07-31-2019, 04:43 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka
Mostly 0500 starts on day 1, 2350 release on day 4, making the majority of trips incommutable.
Lots of 4 leg days as most of our good flying has been given to the far superior engineering marvel of the world, the one and only 737.
You’ll begin to feel as though Portland, Tukwila, and San Jose are your new second homes.
Overall the schedules are horrible and getting worse. There is zero flexibility. Your sick time is what gives you days off you need. I’m not exaggerating, there is literally no flexibility.
I don’t know much about reserve but I’ve heard it is awful. 14 hours on call with your mandatory 10 hour rest period per 117. Basically, every hour your legally allowed to be contacted by scheduling you can and will be. So guess what, if you like beer you won’t be drinking any for 18 or 19 days out of the month (at least your waist line will be happy). You don’t have actual days off, you have hours off depending on when you release from last rap. I don’t know how often reserves are used but I hear they are frequently abused.
You will be on reserve for a very very very long time. There is little to no movement at this company as growth is only measured in increasing seats (not new aircraft) or regional flying. A shocking (for those not employed here) number of First officers, myself included, are applying or awaiting class dates at other airlines.
Good luck but take the warnings about coming to Alaska seriously.
Lots of 4 leg days as most of our good flying has been given to the far superior engineering marvel of the world, the one and only 737.
You’ll begin to feel as though Portland, Tukwila, and San Jose are your new second homes.
Overall the schedules are horrible and getting worse. There is zero flexibility. Your sick time is what gives you days off you need. I’m not exaggerating, there is literally no flexibility.
I don’t know much about reserve but I’ve heard it is awful. 14 hours on call with your mandatory 10 hour rest period per 117. Basically, every hour your legally allowed to be contacted by scheduling you can and will be. So guess what, if you like beer you won’t be drinking any for 18 or 19 days out of the month (at least your waist line will be happy). You don’t have actual days off, you have hours off depending on when you release from last rap. I don’t know how often reserves are used but I hear they are frequently abused.
You will be on reserve for a very very very long time. There is little to no movement at this company as growth is only measured in increasing seats (not new aircraft) or regional flying. A shocking (for those not employed here) number of First officers, myself included, are applying or awaiting class dates at other airlines.
Good luck but take the warnings about coming to Alaska seriously.
07-31-2019, 06:44 AM
#27
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Totally.
I’ll miss the crews and also the scenery. The list literally ends there. I’m giving up more than 5 years seniority.
The bottom of the list is indeed a revolving door, the new attrition list makes that very clear.
I’ll miss the crews and also the scenery. The list literally ends there. I’m giving up more than 5 years seniority.
The bottom of the list is indeed a revolving door, the new attrition list makes that very clear.
Originally Posted by Wynncore
I agree 100%. There is hardly any growth or age 65 retirements when you compare AS to AA/DAL/UAL/SWA/FDX/UPS and if you're able to leave then doing so is highly advised. I did and while I miss aspects about AS (mostly the flying and looking out at the nice scenery) I don't miss much else about it. It's no wonder that the bottom of the seniority list is a revolving door and people with even 4-5 years invested are leaving.
07-31-2019, 07:13 AM
#28
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This is a perfect example of what I’m talking about in the “spirit of AS” thread. This guy gets jumped because he offers a personal perspective that differs from the extreme views of one end of the spectrum. He acknowledges that there’s much to fix at AS but because he doesn’t say it’s the death spiral some feel it is, he gets called stupid, dunce, liar and more... For those that feel it’s the worst place to work, that’s fine, YOU, feel that way. It’s also fine that others don’t feel that way. It doesn’t mean the guy won’t be pulling for a better CBA come voting day. Why the need to attack him because he doesn’t hate his life or regurgitate the same extreme rhetoric as you?
07-31-2019, 08:01 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock
This is a perfect example of what I’m talking about in the “spirit of AS” thread. This guy gets jumped because he offers a personal perspective that differs from the extreme views of one end of the spectrum. He acknowledges that there’s much to fix at AS but because he doesn’t say it’s the death spiral some feel it is, he gets called stupid, dunce, liar and more... For those that feel it’s the worst place to work, that’s fine, YOU, feel that way. It’s also fine that others don’t feel that way. It doesn’t mean the guy won’t be pulling for a better CBA come voting day. Why the need to attack him because he doesn’t hate his life or regurgitate the same extreme rhetoric as you?
All that being said, I have been at Alaska for a while. I've seen good times and bad. I expect that cycle to continue until I retire. I have completed 66% of a 30 year career. I can actually see the finish line, even though it's 10 long years away.
B Scale, Kasher, Merger, were all things that sucked, but it's simply part of the industry. Life is never perfect. I suggest we all put our big boy pants on and deal with it. I have no time for snowflakes.
Before the collective starts howling at the moon about what a jack wagon I am, let me say this - you (fellow AK pilots) have no better friend in the fox hole than me when it comes to improving our contract. I do everything that I can to improve this place.
The banter on this board cracks me up sometimes. Commuting to reserve sucks! - well there is a shocker! Who would have thunk it? The only man I ever knew that had a wonderful life commuting to reserve was a UAL B747-400 Captain. He retired (at age 60) after 34 years at UAL. He did a transcon commute and frequently had to go to sim for currency bounces. That was then, this is now. The industry has changed. My UAL friend (RIP) use to complain about how much the industry had changed during his career. His "life" was far better than anything I'll ever see. And the career of the men before him was far better (in his opinion) than anything he ever saw. And on and on it goes.
So, what do we do? Fight, scratch, claw, kick and punch for every scrap of meat we can get. "They" want to give as little meat as possible. We want as much meat as we can lay my hands on. I believe that we can and will get more. It will come sooner if we work together for a better contract for all. Unfortunately, the greedy individual just taking care of #1 is prevalent around here.
Rant over!
07-31-2019, 09:41 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock
This is a perfect example of what I’m talking about in the “spirit of AS” thread. This guy gets jumped because he offers a personal perspective that differs from the extreme views of one end of the spectrum. He acknowledges that there’s much to fix at AS but because he doesn’t say it’s the death spiral some feel it is, he gets called stupid, dunce, liar and more... For those that feel it’s the worst place to work, that’s fine, YOU, feel that way. It’s also fine that others don’t feel that way. It doesn’t mean the guy won’t be pulling for a better CBA come voting day. Why the need to attack him because he doesn’t hate his life or regurgitate the same extreme rhetoric as you?
He flew for Skywest and Alaska is great! Don’t listen to all these guys who go Alaska’s CBA dumped in their lap after years of having a more benevolent system. That’s why he got jumped.
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