Proudly All Boeing?
06-06-2019 | 12:34 PM
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Ok so seems like there is confusion. Alaska already has a current order with options that would replace the entire Airbus fleet. Any new order would be all growth except maybe the replacement of some older 737-9 and 700’s and maybe a few leased 800’s.
The new max order is 40 firm 900max and 60 options. With the new order 2025 looks to have 0 Airbus and 317 Boeing in the most grandiose fleet plan. That’s 4,000 pilots in 2025.
That equates to 250 pilot hires a year with retirements.
The new max order is 40 firm 900max and 60 options. With the new order 2025 looks to have 0 Airbus and 317 Boeing in the most grandiose fleet plan. That’s 4,000 pilots in 2025.
That equates to 250 pilot hires a year with retirements.
If the “new” order is 40, then that means 32+40 = 72 firm just replaces the Bus fleet. Until options are exercised, they seem meaningless.
From the original 50 Boeing order press release:
“Alaska Airlines currently operates 120 Boeing 737s. The new firm aircraft order, plus 25 existing firm delivery positions, give the carrier the flexibility to manage its fleet size to meet air travel demand over the next decade. Two-thirds of the aircraft are expected to replace older airplanes. The remaining firm orders and options will enable Alaska Airlines to grow assuming sufficient customer demand and that the company continues to achieve its profit and return on invested capital goals.”
2/3 were for replacement of older Boeing’s. Only 1/3 of those 50 were growth.
06-06-2019 | 01:33 PM
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At the risk of being overly negative, any order is likely to be replacements with few if any “growth” airplanes. We can’t come close to filling our current aircraft outside of Seattle, or so it seems. If there is an order announced I’d sooner bet that the total number of mainline aircraft will ultimately shrink.
06-06-2019 | 02:06 PM
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From: 737 tiller master
These guys only know of three ways to grow: Grow in order to survive brought on by turf wars, more seats via overstretched 737s, and E175 flying done by Skywest. They are waiting for their savior which is the next economic downturn so that they can shrink to profitability, which is all they are good at. If you look closely at this airline under a microscope, it's a miracle that they are still standing today. Bean counters are great with matrix and spread sheets but a vast majority of them lack common sense and more importantly, leadership. Name one war that was won or a successful corporation that is still thriving today led by a beancounter.
06-06-2019 | 02:53 PM
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These guys only know of three ways to grow: Grow in order to survive brought on by turf wars, more seats via overstretched 737s, and E175 flying done by Skywest. They are waiting for their savior which is the next economic downturn so that they can shrink to profitability, which is all they are good at. If you look closely at this airline under a microscope, it's a miracle that they are still standing today. Bean counters are great with matrix and spread sheets but a vast majority of them lack common sense and more importantly, leadership. Name one war that was won or a successful corporation that is still thriving today led by a beancounter.
06-06-2019 | 03:46 PM
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From: This side of the dirt.
“Any company that’s not growing is in slow motion liquidation.” - Delta Airlines CEO
Now clearly, Delta management doesn’t know how to run a successful airline, or one that’s profitable.... but, that’s his take....
https://www.marketplace.org/shows/co...g-on-airports/
Now clearly, Delta management doesn’t know how to run a successful airline, or one that’s profitable.... but, that’s his take....
https://www.marketplace.org/shows/co...g-on-airports/
06-06-2019 | 06:32 PM
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We are in the middle of a turf war right now so, just like ‘13-‘16, this could be another spurt of reactionary growth. We have no laurels left to rest on at this point so it would make sense to put in a “survival” order. This management team makes me think of the mammals at the end of the age of Dinosaurs. Surviving in the shadows waiting/hoping for an asteroid to strike so they can thrive.
I guess that makes me pond scum
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06-06-2019 | 07:12 PM
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From: 737 tiller master
Steve Jobs famously said, “It doesn’t make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do; we hire smart people so they can tell us what to do.” Don’t ever think you have the best ideas or answers because you don’t. If you work with someone who thinks he or she does, then that person is not a leader. Leadership means we must be willing to check our pride at the door if leading change and success are the ultimate goals.
Ours surround themselves with mindless yeschimps who'll tell them anything that management wants to hear and stroke their egos for an extra grape.
Ours surround themselves with mindless yeschimps who'll tell them anything that management wants to hear and stroke their egos for an extra grape.
06-07-2019 | 09:06 AM
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No disrespect to you but is this straight from the horses's mouth, I mean, the donkey? How many times has this management's promised fleet growth plan or any other plan for that matter come to fruition? These same management types promised us: 2,000 by 2,000, major QOL/line/pairing improvements once the MDs went away, Vision 2010, no need for Scope because "they would never do that!", negotiations in good faith, and countless empty and unfulfilled promises.
4,000 by 4,000? This is our new target? I guess it will be well after Hell freezes over and global warming wreaks havoc on its icebergs. Even if this minuscule growth takes effect, how will we find quality pilots? I hear 50% of our new hires require additional training. We are not hiring the best obviously. I'm seeing this on the line as well. This place is bleeding from both ends with no end in sight. The best thing that could happen to this pilot group is to be bought out or another D-day effort by real airline. By the way, JD Powers is fixed, if you haven't already caught on by now.
4,000 by 4,000? This is our new target? I guess it will be well after Hell freezes over and global warming wreaks havoc on its icebergs. Even if this minuscule growth takes effect, how will we find quality pilots? I hear 50% of our new hires require additional training. We are not hiring the best obviously. I'm seeing this on the line as well. This place is bleeding from both ends with no end in sight. The best thing that could happen to this pilot group is to be bought out or another D-day effort by real airline. By the way, JD Powers is fixed, if you haven't already caught on by now.
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