As someone not privy to the details....how did this go down? I thought ALPA national can only assist ALK MEC in preparing and perhaps selling a TA, but how can the "jam down a TA" that 80% are against despite the MEC?

Did ALPA National impose the TA upon the ALK group? Not sure how that could work since ALPA is actually just an association, and not truly a union.

This is correct in principle but I am aware anecdotally of a couple instances where National exercised some influence on regional contracts (one at mesa where National refused to sign it, don't recall the circumstances that gave National a vote on that, but I'm sure some mesa alumns do). Not saying the influence was a bad thing in those cases.

Can I get an amen!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

It’s just a figurative interpretation of events. We were offered meager pay improvements for the abolishment of the A plan and other concessions, shortly after we got sniped. Management thought they could broker a better relationship by trying to take even more advantage of us. Sadly a few short years later we gave up the A plan for? Oh that’s right nothing!

Ok, I love it. So everyone stop writing anything on these boards and the Union will be able to circumnavigate the furlough and the extremely negative financial pressures on our industry. Not a peep and we will be soon hiring thousands, making Delta plus 40%. Oh to just believe!

Dear Santa,
This year I have been really good, please bring me a real live pony for Christmas! I believe, I believe, I believe.

I will check back late July after the letters go out. You can be sure someone will be blamed for them. If we are lucky we will only lose 350-500 million this year... When airlines lose money, bad not good things happen!

Two things are affecting the union at the negotiating table, the virus and the economy. Nothing else!

Where is the ignore button?

I think he’s taking advantage of the fact there isn’t an ignore button.


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Not according to LEC and MEC reps I’ve spoken with. I’ve talked to both. Prior to the CVirus in negotiations management would tell the MEC that THEY, union leadership, was the problem, that their messaging was causing discord among the rank and file, and that they, not management were out of touch with the desires and morale of the pilot group. Post CVirus, the NC has absolutely had management slide comments like those highlighted in the “water cooler”, Alyeska Board and APC slid across the desk as supposed evidence that our union leaders and negotiators are out of touch.

I recognize the economy and CVIRUS are the drivers of the will of the company holistically, but unilateral “negotiating in public” does undermine the leadership’s basic and damn near always and forever strategy of “My MEC speaks for me and I tell them what to say.”

I guess I didn't understand the part where ALPA National "rammed down" a contract, because I was under the impression that the local MEC had to approve (maybe even with a memrat) before a contract can be imposed.

I did hear of at least one time where ALPA national refused to sign a contract (a regional, because they thought it was egregious) not because they were trying to force any pilots to work under lesser terms.

Best of luck to us all, but we will only get what our local reps (along with the assistance of ALPA National) are able to negotiate with our individual mgmts. They seem to provide perspective and allow sharing of industry knowledge so those local MEC's so they are negotiating from a place of knowledge vs hyperbole.