Additional Max Order Rumored
12-23-2020 | 11:00 PM
#242
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I’d imagine DCA/SNA just fine since I’ve seen 900’s in there and if the route isn’t a transcon it should be fine. As far as Hawaii markets I’ve heard it’s probably not going to work but who really knows. I’m sure the Max 8 will work just fine and Ben himself said they’re looking at the Max 7 which works in all of Hawaii just fine so maybe we use them on those niche routes with short runways.
12-23-2020 | 11:01 PM
#243
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It’s a Max 9 or a -9... and it will be able to fly full out of SNA to SEA and Mexico, fly full 95% of the time out of OGG, full out of DCA about 85% of the time.
Guys this is embarrassing, “how about the XLR’s”, “how about the 30 positions”, “how about this airport, how about that.” We ran the numbers, there is no hidden Airbus surprise order. They are all gone, there was a lot of research, a lot of time put into the decision. It’s done. None of you have the unthought question to talk management back into the bus. This decision has been done for 20 months, there will be no looking back, only forward.
MAX 8 does awesome out of all HI markets... LIH is the only Airport that gives the 9 some trouble.
Guys this is embarrassing, “how about the XLR’s”, “how about the 30 positions”, “how about this airport, how about that.” We ran the numbers, there is no hidden Airbus surprise order. They are all gone, there was a lot of research, a lot of time put into the decision. It’s done. None of you have the unthought question to talk management back into the bus. This decision has been done for 20 months, there will be no looking back, only forward.
MAX 8 does awesome out of all HI markets... LIH is the only Airport that gives the 9 some trouble.
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12-23-2020 | 11:21 PM
#244
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The bottom 2 LA Capts displaced to ANC is just the beginning. As the Buses fade out, the true effect of the SLI will be felt by the senior side VX group (an effect which has largely been negligible in SFO and LAX). Just napkin math but it seems relative seniority is almost twice as bad in SEA and PDX as it would be in 737 LAX for the seniors. The only saving grace at this point would be if SFO opens as a Boeing base. That looks very unlikely. If that doesn’t happen and both SFO and LAX Buses close, where will they go? Closest base is 737 LAX and also the best in terms of relative seniority. I see a scenario where there’s tons of displacements out of LAX 737 as the Buses are reduced and guys force their way in. LAX could easily become the most senior base in terms of bidding action over the next 4 years.
12-24-2020 | 12:22 AM
#245
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No question that single fleet will reduce pilot staffing. When we ditched the 737-200 and the MD 80 it was a 13% reduction in staffing. With the Airbus it will likely be 6-7%. Couple that with the loss of a base and we should be fairly stagnant for a few years. The impact of the SLI is going to hit hard for both sides.
12-24-2020 | 07:13 AM
#247
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Did anyone pick up on ST or BM stating something along the lines as, now since the mainlines fleet is complete we will focus on the regional fleet plan starting in January? Then they went on to quickly comment on the large gap of 76 seats to 159 seats.
That's what caught my attention.
That's what caught my attention.
12-24-2020 | 08:05 AM
#248
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Did anyone pick up on ST or BM stating something along the lines as, now since the mainlines fleet is complete we will focus on the regional fleet plan starting in January? Then they went on to quickly comment on the large gap of 76 seats to 159 seats.
That's what caught my attention.
That's what caught my attention.
The Alaska pilot group is going to regret the lack of scope in the contract.
Unless the options on their new Max order are exercised the next five years will see no growth at the mainline level. I doubt that will be the case at Horizon and Skywest.
12-24-2020 | 08:28 AM
#249
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QX will never get 195’s. Alaska plans to close SFO as a base, that is a mess, everyone will be fine in the end. I have my fingers crossed they walk that back, I have voiced my opinion to the powers that be. I think we will see 17-26 Max 7’s. PBS + Single Fleet is about a 13% savings in pilots. That could slow things down to fall of 2023. We will take every option of this order. Lots of hiring 24-26, lots of upgrades. Wish it were right now, it’s a pretty tough industry currently. Things will get better, we will all be fine. Merry Christmas, bring on 2021!
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