Originally Posted by LonesomeSky (Post 3147182)

There's an attitude amoung many pilots that people's fear of covid is out of control and unrealistic. You guys are looking at it the wrong way. These people aren't in a panic, they're just making rational choices. Most people don't need to travel and traveling puts you far more at risk for catching the rona than staying at home. It's not a panic choice, it's more like, 'nah, I don't wanna go. Seems like a bad idea." Many aren't afraid of dying, they just don't want to get sick and risk being out of work for weeks. Others rely on grandparents for babysitting and don't want to take the chance that they'll accidentally infect grandma. There are a myriad of logical, rational reasons not to travel due to Covid. It's not left wing media brainwashing, it's common sense.

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Originally Posted by LonesomeSky (Post 3147182)

I somewhat agree. Covid fatigue is setting in and many low risk folks are choosing to live their lives again. Most people aren't going to die from covid so why keep your life on hold for months on end?

Here's the problem for our industry. A rather large minority of the population is at risk or lives with someone who is at risk. These people won't travel until covid is gone. It's that simple. Most people don't need to travel by air and will choose not to until the virus is under control. The airlines live on thin margins, 6 to 11%... If we can't get 25-40% of our usual passengers to come to the airport the airlines will continue to bleed cash and be forced to shrink drastically.

There's an attitude amoung many pilots that people's fear of covid is out of control and unrealistic. You guys are looking at it the wrong way. These people aren't in a panic, they're just making rational choices. Most people don't need to travel and traveling puts you far more at risk for catching the rona than staying at home. It's not a panic choice, it's more like, 'nah, I don't wanna go. Seems like a bad idea." Many aren't afraid of dying, they just don't want to get sick and risk being out of work for weeks. Others rely on grandparents for babysitting and don't want to take the chance that they'll accidentally infect grandma. There are a myriad of logical, rational reasons not to travel due to Covid. It's not left wing media brainwashing, it's common sense.

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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3147278)

If those same people are willing to go to the local grocery store to stock up, Lowes/Home Depot to get the parts to fix the toilet, local restaurant to eat in or get take out, or go to work their fear is irrational. The risk is the same as travelling. Any interaction with people will eventually result in all of us coming into contact with the virus.

Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3147278)

If those same people are willing to go to the local grocery store to stock up, Lowes/Home Depot to get the parts to fix the toilet, local restaurant to eat in or get take out, or go to work their fear is irrational. The risk is the same as travelling. Any interaction with people will eventually result in all of us coming into contact with the virus.

Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 3147420)

Eating then being able to flush what you ate seems a little more essential than flying somewhere for a vacation. Especially to cities that have increasing spread.

Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3147470)

I am not arguing about what is essential or important to someone. If those people are already out in public and shopping and working then there is no added risk to travelling.

Originally Posted by Fred Flintstone (Post 3147518)

I retired from the eskimo 2 years ago. I have the time and the loads are low enough that I can go anywhere I want right now. I also realize that I and my wife are in the age group that would not do well if we got the rona, so I stay home. I also haven't been to Freddy's, Costco or Home Depot since March, if I need it it gets delivered or I do without. The risk vs reward just isn't worth it. Not hauling around 2 old fart non revs won't hurt you, but not hauling around leisure travelers and business travelers (zoom meetings are the new norm) is going to hurt until the all clear (effective vaccine) is sounded.

Originally Posted by sMFer (Post 3147534)

Wow. Haven't been in a store since March? Turn off the news. Life your life. Don't live in fear of everything.

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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3147278)

If those same people are willing to go to the local grocery store to stock up, Lowes/Home Depot to get the parts to fix the toilet, local restaurant to eat in or get take out, or go to work their fear is irrational. The risk is the same as travelling. Any interaction with people will eventually result in all of us coming into contact with the virus.