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Flyboy8784 04-21-2022 09:34 AM

WE CARE A LOT................about our shareholders..........

ShyGuy 04-21-2022 10:15 AM

Who’s surprised?


”Pilot attrition! That will force their hand!”


Nope.

Cost of doing business status quo, cancel flights, reduce capacity, overhire for attrition
< Cost of new ALPA contract.

So as long as that holds true, no contract is coming. They are going to overhire this year to account for attrition and cut capacity in order to deal with the pilot staffing issue. And as much as we hate it, the investors love it.


I’m starting to understand the merger rumors. It’s like a drug to lessen the pain of what is the reality of being at AS.

All Bizniz 04-21-2022 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3409935)
Who’s surprised?


”Pilot attrition! That will force their hand!”


Nope.

Cost of doing business status quo, cancel flights, reduce capacity, overhire for attrition
< Cost of new ALPA contract.

So as long as that holds true, no contract is coming. They are going to overhire this year to account for attrition and cut capacity in order to deal with the pilot staffing issue. And as much as we hate it, the investors love it.


I’m starting to understand the merger rumors. It’s like a drug to lessen the pain of what is the reality of being at AS.

I hope you're wrong, but if past results are an indication of future performance, then you might not be..

The recent total meltdown of Horizon is an example. For a long time, they were warned that the flight operations could not be sustained reliably with the pilot issues they were having.

They put off addressing the problems in a concrete way, until finally, the tish hit the fan. After that happened, they simply hit the reset button, and went on their merry way again... "Like it never even happened!"

AS could quite possibly be considered the "Teflon Don" of the airline industry. Nothing ever sticks...... Well,..... until it does, I guess.

WHACKMASTER 04-21-2022 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Caveman (Post 3409778)
Let it go. Your a Cappy now right, at a company with a great future. Out of all the possibilities for a career at AT/VJ most would conclude you knocked it out of the park.

I'd rather see you use your energies on engaging your Reps on C2020 and acting like the Leader your paid to be for the guys you fly with instead of the crybaby stuff you post from time to time on here.

Let it go.

Or don't. And medical out earlier than you have too.

Let it go?! I’m not the one that started it. Might want to read back a little further……Ace.

GoodJet 04-21-2022 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 3409844)
just read the Q1 Earnings report….. “beat loss expectations” confident on “2022 financial target” …. Hoping for “Pretax profit 6-9%”.

It’s ironic at times but, it’s almost as though Alaska mgmt runs the airline the way a hedge fund would,…. It’s not about profit VIA the product. It’s profit in spite of the product. The core customer…. The REAL one…. is Wall Street analysts. That’s it. Reputation? Employees? Passengers? Reliability? Etc…. As long as they get good grades from Wall Street…… irrelevant.

I think you're 100% correct. It makes me sad to think about because it means we will never get a market rate contract. I've been trying to figure out why in Dave Mets threatening email about sick time use last year in July they went over the cost of cancelling 19 flights in very great detail. Yet we are cancelling 30-40 flights a day with big days cancelling over 100 flights a day. Why did they care so much last year and now they hardly care at all?

It's only leverage for management when they want to threaten us about using sick time when it suits them. Even FO's leaving the airline in record number isn't leverage to get a market rate contract. Amazing.

av8or 04-21-2022 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by All Bizniz (Post 3409941)
I hope you're wrong, but if past results are an indication of future performance, then you might not be..

The recent total meltdown of Horizon is an example. For a long time, they were warned that the flight operations could not be sustained reliably with the pilot issues they were having.

They put off addressing the problems in a concrete way, until finally, the tish hit the fan. After that happened, they simply hit the reset button, and went on their merry way again... "Like it never even happened!"

AS could quite possibly be considered the "Teflon Don" of the airline industry. Nothing ever sticks...... Well,..... until it does, I guess.

Agreed…… margin is king. In whatever form, so, if shrinking increases margin, so be it. If selling assets increases margin, so be it. That is the only constant. Everything else is malleable. Gotta have two wing walkers…. till ya don’t. What changed? Not enough wing walkers. Do the right thing…. Unless doing the right thing conflicts with margin…. and then don’t. Margin is the cake. Everything else is just varying degrees of frosting.

av8or 04-21-2022 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3409957)
I think you're 100% correct. It makes me sad to think about because it means we will never get a market rate contract. I've been trying to figure out why in Dave Mets threatening email about sick time use last year in July they went over the cost of cancelling 19 flights in very great detail. Yet we are cancelling 30-40 flights a day with big days cancelling over 100 flights a day. Why did they care so much last year and now they hardly care at all?

It's only leverage for management when they want to threaten us about using sick time when it suits them. Even FO's leaving the airline in record number isn't leverage to get a market rate contract. Amazing.

Not despair brother!!! Their fight isn’t with us…. It’s with reality. They’re betting that we’d prefer to sell our services at a discount…. that at the end of the day, because they know what it’d cost US, that we’ll fold like a cheap suit. I still say if you can’t get a market rate contract in this environment, then you’ll NEVER get one.

Guess we’ll just have to see who blinks first. Good luck beating analyst projections without us.

rickair7777 04-21-2022 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 3409958)
Agreed…… margin is king. In whatever form, so, if shrinking increases margin, so be it. If selling assets increases margin, so be it. That is the only constant. Everything else is malleable. Gotta have two wing walkers…. till ya don’t. What changed? Not enough wing walkers. Do the right thing…. Unless doing the right thing conflicts with margin…. and then don’t. Margin is the cake. Everything else is just varying degrees of frosting.


Not entirely. It's a well-established business principle that you need to grow to thrive... growth allows you to stay ahead of rising costs, and keeps you from getting boxed in by competitors.

Stagnation or shrinkage would generally be viewed with suspicion at best by The Street. Lack of growth today would be assumed to hint at lack of margins down the road.

That's the conventional wisdom, not a of law of physics, but I doubt they want to brag about lack of growth. Unless maybe they have a good excuse, like a recession.

av8or 04-21-2022 12:52 PM

Earnings call….
 
Investor Q: “With United and others hiring so many pilots, what’s your selling point to attract pilots?”

BM A: paraphrasing “Our brand, our culture, our network, and we fly on the West Coast”

Hmmm…. No mention of our contract. Wonder why? 🤔 So all you brand conscious, culturally focused West Coasters who wanna fly everywhere everyone else does for less job security, pay and QOL…. Come on OVER!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

flysnoopy76 04-21-2022 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3409935)
Who’s surprised?


”Pilot attrition! That will force their hand!”


Nope.

Cost of doing business status quo, cancel flights, reduce capacity, overhire for attrition
< Cost of new ALPA contract.

So as long as that holds true, no contract is coming. They are going to overhire this year to account for attrition and cut capacity in order to deal with the pilot staffing issue. And as much as we hate it, the investors love it.


I’m starting to understand the merger rumors. It’s like a drug to lessen the pain of what is the reality of being at AS.

They can plan to over hire all they want, who’s coming here at this point one, and those that do, how many are staying?
The CEO, when asked how we are attracting pilots, responds with we fly on the west coast and our “culture”….,,
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


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