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Margaritaville 09-30-2022 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3504624)

Otherwise The State would foreclose on retirees so they could replace them with high earners who pay high taxes.

Ha! Imagine if they tried to foreclose on retirees here in Florida! There'd be no one left!

majorpilot 09-30-2022 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Wingedbeast (Post 3504702)
It still does support my narrative. People aren't leaving that state like people are leaving California and other blue states. There is an exodus.


Actually, yes, proportionately people are leaving several red states (didn’t cross-check Alabama, but identified a few in earlier posts) with higher rates of “exodus” than CA. This data challenges the politically-motivated narrative.

The truth is there is no “one” reason-CA is like a separate country, it’s too complex and massive for simplistic explanations — as much as we humans tend to favor them. Plenty of people I know who’re turning places like TX, ID and MT “purple” still own homes and have ties in CA that they have no intent on severing. But the ones who state a political reason get a lot of recognition — we shall see how this works out in the long term.

rickair7777 10-01-2022 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by majorpilot (Post 3504751)
The truth is there is no “one” reason-CA is like a separate country, it’s too complex and massive for simplistic explanations — as much as we humans tend to favor them. Plenty of people I know who’re turning places like TX, ID and MT “purple” still own homes and have ties in CA that they have no intent on severing. But the ones who state a political reason get a lot of recognition — we shall see how this works out in the long term.

It's largely economic... high COL and high taxes. Some of it is safety & security. Many younger folks just can't afford a home and family... if you can't live near the water, might as well keep going east until you're over the state line. I probably wouldn't stay if I had to live out of sight of the ocean.

Some of it is school system... people don't want their kids indoctrinated with every whackjob ideology that comes out of left field.

Some do leave for politics, my comfortably retired, born and raised in SOCAL aunt did a couple years ago, it was 100% politics. My uncle did not want to go, but happy wife, happy life.

RJSAviator76 10-01-2022 08:02 AM

I have family members who left California over politics. Funny thing, they are red-pilled Democrats who swear they will never again vote Democrat… they don’t exactly like Trump, but if he runs in 2024, they’ll “hold their nose and vote for him over anybody of the present day Democratic Party.”

My FIL was the latest one to leave the beach, and he left over politics as well, though he was never a Democrat.

It’s truly sad.

OOfff 10-01-2022 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3500447)
Sure would be wild if we didn't have the House of Representatives. Oh, and how many electoral votes again?

California has one electoral vote for every 650k residents (roughly).

North Dakota has 650k residents and 3 electoral votes.

rickair7777 10-01-2022 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3505017)
California has one electoral vote for every 650k residents (roughly).

North Dakota has 650k residents and 3 electoral votes.

Both states are members of the United *States* of America.

majorpilot 10-01-2022 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3504899)
Some of it is school system... people don't want their kids indoctrinated with every whackjob ideology that comes out of left field.

Let’s not sell anyone short. Right field can generate plenty of “whackjob ideology” too.

OOfff 10-01-2022 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3505027)
Both states are members of the United *States* of America.

“You can’t criticize something unless you call for a constitutional convention” is a pretty ****ty take

rickair7777 10-01-2022 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3505054)
“You can’t criticize something unless you call for a constitutional convention” is a pretty ****ty take

You're criticizing something which is fundamentally defined by the constitution. Criticize all you like but it's a waste of breath unless you advocate:

a) A Constitutional Convention or
b) A civil war

Which is it? (a) is the only legal path to change what you don't like, and if try to wave a wand and abrogate the constitution that severely I can guarantee that the union will dissolve. Or simply throw out by force the unconstitutional government which would be by definition illegitimate. The good news is that it won't be much of a civil war since the vast majority of those who are capable and/or inclined to fight will all be on the same side.

Although I suppose you could try to arrange for an amicable divorce.


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