Congrats TA passes
10-17-2022 | 12:23 PM
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10-17-2022 | 12:31 PM
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Perhaps in a year you will feel ripped off and angry or we might all be facing furloughs. I've seen enough booms in this industry to know they don't last and we're still making less money than we were in the 90s (in aggregate and adjusted for inflation).
10-17-2022 | 12:39 PM
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None of that matters now because the TA is going to pass with something like an 85% vote in favor of ratification.
The company bargaining in good faith does not necessarily buy them an extra couple of years in mediation. Bargaining in good faith is simply the bare-bones legal requirement that arises out of the RLA's obligation to "exert every reasonable to make and maintain agreements."
If the mediator senses that movement toward an agreement is still possible by using the various tactics available to a mediator to spur on negotiations, then mediation will continue (unless mediation proceeds on a basis that is "patently arbitrary" and for a period that is "patently unreasonable"). If the mediator determines that the parties are at an impasse, then they will recommend to the NMB that the parties be released from mediation. This could happen in months or in years. In the case of the railroads that just wrapped up a few weeks ago, it took months. In many other cases, it has taken years.
It's possible that both sides bargaining in good faith simply refuse to bend any further to the demands of the other despite the best efforts of the mediator to bring about an agreement. The Ninth Circuit explained in a 1980 RLA case that "obstinate and unyielding" positions do not violate the requirements of good faith bargaining.
If "obstinate and unyielding" positions on both sides result in an impasse, then a release may become realistic in well under a couple of years even though both sides are bargaining in good faith.
The company bargaining in good faith does not necessarily buy them an extra couple of years in mediation. Bargaining in good faith is simply the bare-bones legal requirement that arises out of the RLA's obligation to "exert every reasonable to make and maintain agreements."
If the mediator senses that movement toward an agreement is still possible by using the various tactics available to a mediator to spur on negotiations, then mediation will continue (unless mediation proceeds on a basis that is "patently arbitrary" and for a period that is "patently unreasonable"). If the mediator determines that the parties are at an impasse, then they will recommend to the NMB that the parties be released from mediation. This could happen in months or in years. In the case of the railroads that just wrapped up a few weeks ago, it took months. In many other cases, it has taken years.
It's possible that both sides bargaining in good faith simply refuse to bend any further to the demands of the other despite the best efforts of the mediator to bring about an agreement. The Ninth Circuit explained in a 1980 RLA case that "obstinate and unyielding" positions do not violate the requirements of good faith bargaining.
If "obstinate and unyielding" positions on both sides result in an impasse, then a release may become realistic in well under a couple of years even though both sides are bargaining in good faith.
10-17-2022 | 01:26 PM
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OTZeagle1's Avatar OTZeagle1 , 09-23-2022 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
If I was an Alaska pilot I’d be wondering why you’re trying to sell the TA so hard. Come to think of it, I’m not an Alaska pilot and I’m still wondering the same thing.
This thing sells its self, we snap up to wherever the big 3 take us.
I have seen the data dude, this thing will pass by 78% +-3%…. Write it down dude. There are only approximately 230 clowns in your group. 😂
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78 + 3 = 81 😱
From the get go this was a 80% yes vote from our pilot group. I was way off, you are right. Maybe we should use decimals next time. I always new it is was a slam dunk at 75% as in the past I have watched the loud sower the reasonable. Yes sir, you absolutely proved yourself better and me wrong. You are definitely a SWA pilot dude!
I was wrong, I am always wrong. Listen to the dirty 30, they have the world on a string.
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10-17-2022 | 01:29 PM
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OTZeagle1's Avatar OTZeagle1 , 09-23-2022 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
If I was an Alaska pilot I’d be wondering why you’re trying to sell the TA so hard. Come to think of it, I’m not an Alaska pilot and I’m still wondering the same thing.
This thing sells its self, we snap up to wherever the big 3 take us.
I have seen the data dude, this thing will pass by 78% +-3%…. Write it down dude. There are only approximately 230 clowns in your group. 😂
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OTZeagle1's Avatar OTZeagle1 , 09-23-2022 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
If I was an Alaska pilot I’d be wondering why you’re trying to sell the TA so hard. Come to think of it, I’m not an Alaska pilot and I’m still wondering the same thing.
This thing sells its self, we snap up to wherever the big 3 take us.
I have seen the data dude, this thing will pass by 78% +-3%…. Write it down dude. There are only approximately 230 clowns in your group. 😂
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10-17-2022 | 02:04 PM
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I have received a warning, if I don’t play nice, I might get permanently banned from APC. But yes, I will be there to watch the show. 🥃🥃🥃🍿🍿🍿
by the way 23 people have privately messaged me they are voting for the TA… not one no yet🤔
Our MEC had unprecedented polling numbers, they knew what the same 80% of adults wanted, remember you can’t fix crazy!
by the way 23 people have privately messaged me they are voting for the TA… not one no yet🤔
Our MEC had unprecedented polling numbers, they knew what the same 80% of adults wanted, remember you can’t fix crazy!
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Originally Posted by IFlyEm
Lol I haven't talked to one yes vote yet. Vote yes if it works for you. But I guarantee it's not passing with 75%
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Yes, I am losing with the dirty 30 on APC but I have 1970 yes votes in SEA, PDX, ANC. Dude that’s game set match. And those are embarrassingly good numbers. We will likely scrape another 50 SFO and another 250ish in LAX.
Our MEC is awesome, our NC incredible… you should all be thanking them. But please please please tell all your friends to vote no, and hide in your bunker🤭
1970+ 50+ 250= yes use your fingers and toes
2270
2270/2800 that get to vote, put your shoes back on guys, you will differentially need a calculator for this🤭😂🤣
wait for it… 81%😂😂😂
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Way off right Lew? 🤔 Listen to the 30 everyone. Come back in 2 years, this won’t age well, right?🙄
How were my math skilz?
I LOVE GUARANTEES!
Hey Lew, kinda seems like I gave very specific numbers…not as accurate as you though?🤔 but never as good as a SWA pilot🥱🥱🥱
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