Was it a good deal?
12-05-2022, 03:34 PM
#91
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Originally Posted by buttmunch
The snap up is SWA*1.149 to account for TFP [CBA 3.4.b], which is $314/hr. The average is then $329/hr.
DL $337+
UA $335+
AA $330+
SW ($334×1.149) =$383
=1385/4
=$346.....
No way in Heeell we're ending up at the top of that stack.
12-05-2022, 03:50 PM
#93
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I did but it doesn’t mean I can’t look or comment, I have plenty of friends there that I consider practically family who are all very disappointed in how this contract turned out. Now some of them are considering leaving their left seat position for elsewhere.
12-05-2022, 04:52 PM
#94
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Originally Posted by ASpilot0936
Not with that surrendering defeatist attitude....
12-05-2022, 04:54 PM
#95
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In related news…. “The most incredibly pro Union, pro worker party in human history” combined with their sleep walking leader just voted to break a potential strike and force a POS TA on the 3rd largest railway union in the country, because god knows the rail company’s can’t afford 7 sick days a year.
Yeah….. I’m rock solid positive we’d have been released…..
Yeah….. I’m rock solid positive we’d have been released…..
12-05-2022, 05:09 PM
#96
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Originally Posted by av8or
In related news…. “The most incredibly pro Union, pro worker party in human history” combined with their sleep walking leader just voted to break a potential strike and force a POS TA on the 3rd largest railway union in the country, because god knows the rail company’s can’t afford 7 sick days a year.
Yeah….. I’m rock solid positive we’d have been released…..
Yeah….. I’m rock solid positive we’d have been released…..
12-05-2022, 05:25 PM
#97
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
released? Egh who knows but turning it down wouldn’t have been the worst option considering only a couple months later the DAL AIP came out. Alaska mgmt would have had its hands tied big time seeing what its competitor would be paying and even more of their pilots/applicants going elsewhere.
12-05-2022, 05:51 PM
#98
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Posts: 64
Originally Posted by KnockKnock
I was just taking the APC rate, thinking the TFP to Hourly conversion was done. I might be wrong but I don't think the multiplier is applied by taking 274×1.149. Maybe a SW guy can chime in on an actual conversion. If this was the case, according to OTZ's numbers, SW getting $334, in '23, ×1.149= $383, would kick our Average pay to $346.
DL $337+
UA $335+
AA $330+
SW ($334×1.149) =$383
=1385/4
=$346.....
No way in Heeell we're ending up at the top of that stack.
DL $337+
UA $335+
AA $330+
SW ($334×1.149) =$383
=1385/4
=$346.....
No way in Heeell we're ending up at the top of that stack.
12-05-2022, 07:55 PM
#99
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Originally Posted by BZC17
For a data point. Current SWA captains top out on 12 year pay @ $245.64 tfp. Multiply that by 1.149 = $282.24.
What's your feeling on how close or far from a new contract your pilot group is?
In the absence of a new SW CBA, our "Average Up clause" looks more like, (using otz's "inside info")
DAL 337+
AAL 330+
UAL 335+
SWA 282=
1284/4
=$321 in 23'.
A whole 3 dollars more than we're scheduled to get. So 5% instead of the scheduled 4%. That's a far cry from mid $330, OR, "in line with our peers". This Average up is the poor man's Snap up and we are on track to lag the industry once again by an even larger margin than we did pre Contract '22.
12-05-2022, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock
Thank you for that.
What's your feeling on how close or far from a new contract your pilot group is?
In the absence of a new SW CBA, our "Average Up clause" looks more like, (using otz's "inside info")
DAL 337+
AAL 330+
UAL 335+
SWA 282=
1284/4
=$321 in 23'.
A whole 3 dollars more than we're scheduled to get. So 5% instead of the scheduled 4%. That's a far cry from mid $330, OR, "in line with our peers". This Average up is the poor man's Snap up and we are on track to lag the industry once again by an even larger margin than we did pre Contract '22.
What's your feeling on how close or far from a new contract your pilot group is?
In the absence of a new SW CBA, our "Average Up clause" looks more like, (using otz's "inside info")
DAL 337+
AAL 330+
UAL 335+
SWA 282=
1284/4
=$321 in 23'.
A whole 3 dollars more than we're scheduled to get. So 5% instead of the scheduled 4%. That's a far cry from mid $330, OR, "in line with our peers". This Average up is the poor man's Snap up and we are on track to lag the industry once again by an even larger margin than we did pre Contract '22.
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