Was it a good deal?
12-05-2022, 09:03 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by BZC17
Honestly, no idea. Best guess is one to one and a half years away. Late into mediation with a full contract re-write. Swapa board just authorized swapa to talk about a strike authorization vote. That might move the needle but I’m not holding my breath.
12-05-2022, 09:09 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by BZC17
Honestly, no idea. Best guess is one to one and a half years away. Late into mediation with a full contract re-write. Swapa board just authorized swapa to talk about a strike authorization vote. That might move the needle but I’m not holding my breath.
I agree that it looks like it could take 1 - 1.5 year to ratify a new contract at SWA, but they can certainly get it done quicker if they actually wanted to.
12-07-2022, 02:28 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock
I was just taking the APC rate, thinking the TFP to Hourly conversion was done. I might be wrong but I don't think the multiplier is applied by taking 274×1.149. Maybe a SW guy can chime in on an actual conversion. If this was the case, according to OTZ's numbers, SW getting $334, in '23, ×1.149= $383, would kick our Average pay to $346.
DL $337+
UA $335+
AA $330+
SW ($334×1.149) =$383
=1385/4
=$346.....
No way in Heeell we're ending up at the top of that stack.
DL $337+
UA $335+
AA $330+
SW ($334×1.149) =$383
=1385/4
=$346.....
No way in Heeell we're ending up at the top of that stack.
I already did the conversion. The SWA number came having been multiplied
337+ 335+ 330+ 334 AVG = 334
SWA will have a contract before summer… 2023😂 UAL and AAL should get done in the next 60 days… UAL maybe 30.
Unless the economy crumbles 😱.
Had a conversation and feel pretty confident if the big 3 sign in the next 60, we will bump in May and not September.
Something went down mid morning… something big. The doors were closed, the important ones were shut all day, no one is talking😱😱😱
12-07-2022, 02:37 PM
#105
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
1+1 = 2….. HELP
I already did the conversion. The SWA number came having been multiplied
337+ 335+ 330+ 334 AVG = 334
SWA will have a contract before summer… 2023😂 UAL and AAL should get done in the next 60 days… UAL maybe 30.
Unless the economy crumbles 😱.
Had a conversation and feel pretty confident if the big 3 sign in the next 60, we will bump in May and not September.
Something went down mid morning… something big. The doors were closed, the important ones were shut all day, no one is talking😱😱😱
I already did the conversion. The SWA number came having been multiplied
337+ 335+ 330+ 334 AVG = 334
SWA will have a contract before summer… 2023😂 UAL and AAL should get done in the next 60 days… UAL maybe 30.
Unless the economy crumbles 😱.
Had a conversation and feel pretty confident if the big 3 sign in the next 60, we will bump in May and not September.
Something went down mid morning… something big. The doors were closed, the important ones were shut all day, no one is talking😱😱😱
12-07-2022, 04:02 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
1+1 = 2….. HELP
I already did the conversion. The SWA number came having been multiplied
337+ 335+ 330+ 334 AVG = 334
SWA will have a contract before summer… 2023😂 UAL and AAL should get done in the next 60 days… UAL maybe 30.
Unless the economy crumbles 😱.
Had a conversation and feel pretty confident if the big 3 sign in the next 60, we will bump in May and not September.
Something went down mid morning… something big. The doors were closed, the important ones were shut all day, no one is talking😱😱😱
I already did the conversion. The SWA number came having been multiplied
337+ 335+ 330+ 334 AVG = 334
SWA will have a contract before summer… 2023😂 UAL and AAL should get done in the next 60 days… UAL maybe 30.
Unless the economy crumbles 😱.
Had a conversation and feel pretty confident if the big 3 sign in the next 60, we will bump in May and not September.
Something went down mid morning… something big. The doors were closed, the important ones were shut all day, no one is talking😱😱😱
Personally, I hope they get the extensions and pass. The MAX 8 and 9 are already certified like the NGs, and the MAX 8/9s will be manufactured for the next ~10-15 yrs and fly 25-30 yr lifespans. Why allow thousands and thousands of 8 and 9s this way, yet draw the line in the sand for the 7 and 10s to be updated to EICAS alerts. It doesn't make sense. Either ALL should have the current annunciatior recall panel, or ALL should have the EICAS.
I don't see how it's a victory to force a new type rating for the MAX 7 and 10s that have EICAS, and then the MAX 8 and 9s that have the NG recall system, and then claim to the public you made things safer.
12-07-2022, 04:08 PM
#107
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
1+1 = 2….. HELP
I already did the conversion. The SWA number came having been multiplied
337+ 335+ 330+ 334 AVG = 334
SWA will have a contract before summer… 2023😂 UAL and AAL should get done in the next 60 days… UAL maybe 30.
Unless the economy crumbles 😱.
Had a conversation and feel pretty confident if the big 3 sign in the next 60, we will bump in May and not September.
Something went down mid morning… something big. The doors were closed, the important ones were shut all day, no one is talking😱😱😱
I already did the conversion. The SWA number came having been multiplied
337+ 335+ 330+ 334 AVG = 334
SWA will have a contract before summer… 2023😂 UAL and AAL should get done in the next 60 days… UAL maybe 30.
Unless the economy crumbles 😱.
Had a conversation and feel pretty confident if the big 3 sign in the next 60, we will bump in May and not September.
Something went down mid morning… something big. The doors were closed, the important ones were shut all day, no one is talking😱😱😱
12-07-2022, 04:14 PM
#108
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock
What's your source on SW getting all buttoned up by summer? All the SW guys on here and every SW pilot I speak to personally, seems to think they are a year + out. They're going through an entire rewrite.
12-07-2022, 04:35 PM
#109
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
🙄🙄🙄…. Yup, and every SWA pilot on here will tell you, they will strike before signing a contract without a raise of 55% and full retro too. 🥱 “Don’t be a moron Buz,”done by summer 2023!
12-07-2022, 05:21 PM
#110
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock
Yeah, I'm the moron.... does this "done by summer '23", carry the same weight as, "AS buying HA in November, Im studying the 787 manual" or "SW buying AS" or "UA buying AS" or "November is gonna be a HUGE month for AS, mark you calanders!" or "Furloughs ARE happening" or, or, or...... yeah, I'm the moron....
UA may still buy AS
SWA pitched a stock and cash deal to AS’s board
The largest aircraft order in Alaska’s history was announced in “November”
We were 100% furloughing fall of 2020, until AS’s CFO got the news that SWA was going to execute furlough alternative program.
So yes Buz, SWA will absolutely have a deal done by the middle of Q3 2023, barring a significant recession!
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