IamAlaska

Only time will tell if we got the best deal or if we sold ourselves short. I personally voted “no” on the TA but respect, what appears to be, the will of the pilot group. Keep an eye on the quarterly earnings report this Thurs. If the company made a sh!t load of money and/or announces the resumption of the Dividend, then I will say we left $ on the table. I don’t want to hear one “yes” voter ***** about PBS (lack of clear and concise work rules needed to make it function correctly) or when our payrates fall way behind everyone else in 2025 and beyond. GLTA!

ShyGuy

Yes, it was a good deal. Yes, the company will announce great 3rd Q earnings. Two things can be true at once.


Your idea of “leaving money on the table” requires you to call their bluff, assume that ALPA’s EFA team is just full of clueless people, and go forward hoping for TA2 with no timeline in sight towards a recession. No thanks. Looks like 82% of the pilots agreed and voted yes for this.

I don’t fear 2025. By 2024, the big 3 should have new contracts and we will snap up to their average.






Turning down TA1 and going for that one more round…

All Bizniz

It wasn't the best deal, but it was a good to very good deal.

At the very least, we got ourselves away from the long shadow cast by the Kasher award.

echelon

Congratulations everyone, we corrected something that happened 17 years ago!

Maybe next cycle we can actually raise our expectations to reflect the current times.

rickair7777

There was absolutely money left on the the table, the company still got a good deal, and the pilots got a vast improvement.

The question people were voting on was bird in hand, or do you have the risk tolerance and PATIENCE to send this back for 6+ months and keep plugging away under the old program for possibly a couple years? With mixed economic indicators.

That's an individual personal choice, and varies per individual circumstances.

OTZeagle1

I have heard ALK will report Q3 @ 330 million. I hope they do, I hope the made more. I sincerely hope our entire industry does well. I want to work for a strong successful company.
I wonder what sour grapes I will hear about when our snap clause works perfectly for us the next two falls. “Well Delta pitots are making 1.07 an hour more then me… That is just so upsetting, especially since our company is profitable”. 🤔🤭🙄😂
We got a good deal that is only going to get better!
My best snap guess:
Sep ‘23 $333
Sep ‘24 $347

KnockKnock

HA! Show your work!! You think the average between all 4 or 5 airlines is going to be around $333/hr, DOS, in the next 11 months? You've repeatedly said the market was $305-$318. You told LuvsTacos, SW's offer was 318/334/350. So unless they signed a year ago and we don't know about it, how exactly will our rate average up to their (potential) DOS+1 offer? How now does the market demand an average of $333, DOS, for those 4/5 other airlines but not for us? For the last 3.5 weeks you've been calling everyone delusional for wanting just that??? You do realize how this works right? On 9-1-23, the average of 4 CURRENT, (new or not), and potentially 1 new contract are used to give us the higher of the average or 4%. They look at those rates, that day, not what they're scheduled to get 5, 6 mos., to a year down the road. So unless all 4 airlines, maybe 5 get $333/hr DOS, in the next 11 months, we're not getting anywhere near $333. Where getting $318. It's designed that way.

OTZeagle1

It’s good gouge dude😉…. Bring it back fall of 2023

KnockKnock

Show your work. If you think it's possible to get to $333/hr through an average up, then you think it's possible 4/5 other airlines will get $333ish or better DOS and that DOS will be in under 11 months from now. You're on record, repeatedly saying all asks from all airlines are between $305-$318 DOS, and that anyone expecting more was delusional. Only way we go above $318 is one or two airlines blow all expectations out of the water and completely cancel out the bottom end of the average. Something you say is impossible. Or we merge/acquire(d) and the book opens back up. In which case we renegotiate $333/hr. Were you just fear mongering these last 3 weeks?

Twr199

OTZ your problem is you don’t understand soft pay. Because AS is all you’ve ever known. DL’s 1.07 more equates to probably $20K more annually for a TOS Captain. That’s before their profit sharing.