PDX Base
#41
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Out of curiosity, from the sounds of the discussions here it sounds like LAX and SFO are junior bases. What makes them so, and what are trips like out of those places (as in average number of days, percent of red-eyes etc) and is there any provision to "satellite base" out of LGB / SNA / SMF etc?
My two cents.
#42
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From: Cessna 205
SFO is the junior base for both CA and FO. It's a very expensive place to live and it can be very challenging for commuters. I don't feel it is difficult to imagine why this base is very junior.
It's also the junior base for an airline that has taken the majority of our pilots who have made the decision to leave. Which I feel is understandable. A junior AS pilot on reserve can not pick up extra flying to help pay for that crash pad yet at the same time due to reserve staffing rules it is difficult to trade reserve days. It's not a stretch to imagine why SFO will remain the junior base for quite some time. AS mgmt has created quite the problem for themselves. I just wish the pilots would stop trying to solve it.
It's also the junior base for an airline that has taken the majority of our pilots who have made the decision to leave. Which I feel is understandable. A junior AS pilot on reserve can not pick up extra flying to help pay for that crash pad yet at the same time due to reserve staffing rules it is difficult to trade reserve days. It's not a stretch to imagine why SFO will remain the junior base for quite some time. AS mgmt has created quite the problem for themselves. I just wish the pilots would stop trying to solve it.
#43
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From a company press release earlier this month:
"Alaska Airlines is ramping up our growth in Portland to provide our guests with more choice and convenience. We’ve added more than 20 daily departures starting this summer to sought-after destinations from the Rose City. Our capacity has increased by 25%, improving connectivity and providing additional travel options."
If you came to Alaska and wanted to live in PDX you would probably get based in SFO to start with. Can do long call reserve from PDX to SFO to start. About 10 flights a day between all the airplines PDX-SFO. Next most junior base is SEA which has a drivable long call commute. Junior FO in PDX with the June 2024 bid effective date was hired in March of 2023. Would probably guess a year or two to get into PDX after getting hired.
#44
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The no pick up restriction applied to May as well until a couple of weeks ago. Likely someone did the math on what would happen during the first month of live PBS bidding...
If it isn't part of the CBA it can be taken away at any time. The MEC seems to support that. So this income simply can't be counted on. Unless you are a fool it should not be included in a budget.
#45
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For now...
The no pick up restriction applied to May as well until a couple of weeks ago. Likely someone did the math on what would happen during the first month of live PBS bidding...
If it isn't part of the CBA it can be taken away at any time. The MEC seems to support that. So this income simply can't be counted on. Unless you are a fool it should not be included in a budget.
The no pick up restriction applied to May as well until a couple of weeks ago. Likely someone did the math on what would happen during the first month of live PBS bidding...
If it isn't part of the CBA it can be taken away at any time. The MEC seems to support that. So this income simply can't be counted on. Unless you are a fool it should not be included in a budget.
#46
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No, that trip would have been assigned to a reserve pilot. We are overstaffed and a lot of reserves are just sitting around not getting called much.
#47
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The justification as explained to me was that suspending the reserves right to pick up on days off was to stop the company from downgrading captains. So yes the MEC supported it.
#48
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From: Cessna 205
For now...
The no pick up restriction applied to May as well until a couple of weeks ago. Likely someone did the math on what would happen during the first month of live PBS bidding...
If it isn't part of the CBA it can be taken away at any time. The MEC seems to support that. So this income simply can't be counted on. Unless you are a fool it should not be included in a budget.
The no pick up restriction applied to May as well until a couple of weeks ago. Likely someone did the math on what would happen during the first month of live PBS bidding...
If it isn't part of the CBA it can be taken away at any time. The MEC seems to support that. So this income simply can't be counted on. Unless you are a fool it should not be included in a budget.
I was just providing context to a statement that had pertinent facts omitted. It’s fine not to like the fact that the provision is a LOA (I would like for it to be codified in the contract as well) but I think it’s important to share the whole picture. I’m sure any future incentive lines will also come with this caveat.
#49
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How pilots decide to budget is up to them. Even if it were in the contract the prospect of picking up open time on your days off is not guaranteed.
I was just providing context to a statement that had pertinent facts omitted. It’s fine not to like the fact that the provision is a LOA (I would like for it to be codified in the contract as well) but I think it’s important to share the whole picture. I’m sure any future incentive lines will also come with this caveat.
I was just providing context to a statement that had pertinent facts omitted. It’s fine not to like the fact that the provision is a LOA (I would like for it to be codified in the contract as well) but I think it’s important to share the whole picture. I’m sure any future incentive lines will also come with this caveat.
#50
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Do you really think that I didn’t bid? I’m pretty sure that anyone who reads and posts on Internet forums absolutely bid in the practice round.
I just try to think of this stuff without emotion. Also people who don’t work here read these boards and just like when I was on the outside looking in accurate information was appreciated. Sometimes when certain aspects of something are omitted it makes things sound worse than they are. Maybe it’s intentional, maybe it isn’t, doesn’t really matter.
I just try to think of this stuff without emotion. Also people who don’t work here read these boards and just like when I was on the outside looking in accurate information was appreciated. Sometimes when certain aspects of something are omitted it makes things sound worse than they are. Maybe it’s intentional, maybe it isn’t, doesn’t really matter.
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