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Only one silver bullet? Does NK need to file chapter 11 to justify the Alaska/Hawaiian merger?
Curious as Hawaiians CEO publicly stated we can survive independently, can the company argue the opposite through their own private filings? JetBlue/Spirit keep insisting everything is fine publicly when they clearly .
Curious as Hawaiians CEO publicly stated we can survive independently, can the company argue the opposite through their own private filings? JetBlue/Spirit keep insisting everything is fine publicly when they clearly .
#12
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Your local pols can lobby Biden and Mayor Pete privately, even those guys know better than to put too much stock in corporate puffery for the benefit of The Street.
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Yes, this is quite different than B6/NK.
And the admin appears to have shot it's silver airline-killing bullet... assuming NK files Ch.11 (looking more likely than not), it's not going to be a good look at all for the WH to cut the lifeline for the home-town airline in a deep-blue state.
And the admin appears to have shot it's silver airline-killing bullet... assuming NK files Ch.11 (looking more likely than not), it's not going to be a good look at all for the WH to cut the lifeline for the home-town airline in a deep-blue state.
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No, but each respective team tends to stick together and that of course works both ways. Joe wouldn't want any of his own team suggesting that he's over the hill or anything like that in the runup to Nov.
Why? Are you hoping DOJ opposes the merger?
Why? Are you hoping DOJ opposes the merger?
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no, I’m expressing skepticism about your logic
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Hawaiian is a very small Company in the grand scheme of things. You don't lose hundreds of millions year after year, incur $900 million in debt, have no replacement for an aging fleet (717), face a behemoth in SWA interisland, be at the whims of a very disfunctioning HI DOT that runs the worst airports in the Country (by far), face a ridiculuous headwind from 25% of your business (Japan economy, Covid travel fear, inflationary effect on the YEN), and come out the other side unscathed.
P.I. has said "all is well,, we're right on track", over and over. That is easy to say when you keep moving the goal post in the wrong direction.
They won't say it per SEC type rules, but we're f$$ked without a buyer.
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Politicians literally laugh when HI is announced during role call. Everyone knows where they are going to fall in a vote. Thank god their 2 electoral votes come hours and hours later than the rest and literally don't matter ever. (one of the highest, if not the highest rates of gov't cheese recipients in the Country)
The only good politician to come out of HI flipped after her term was up, (resigned). She knew she had no chance unless she pretended to be one of them. Mazie is an utter joke. Typically mocked for the stupid nonsense that comes out of her mouth.
The only good politician to come out of HI flipped after her term was up, (resigned). She knew she had no chance unless she pretended to be one of them. Mazie is an utter joke. Typically mocked for the stupid nonsense that comes out of her mouth.
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So you expect the admin to oppose this merger? Throwing the hometown eponymous airline to the LUVing mercy of the wolves? In a deep-blue state with deep cultural roots?
Despite AS's stated intent to preserve the brand, jobs, etc? Diamterically opposite what B6 said they were going to do to NK?
What's your logic then? Non-rhetorical question.
Despite AS's stated intent to preserve the brand, jobs, etc? Diamterically opposite what B6 said they were going to do to NK?
What's your logic then? Non-rhetorical question.
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So you expect the admin to oppose this merger? Throwing the hometown eponymous airline to the LUVing mercy of the wolves? In a deep-blue state with deep cultural roots?
Despite AS's stated intent to preserve the brand, jobs, etc? Diamterically opposite what B6 said they were going to do to NK?
What's your logic then? Non-rhetorical question.
Despite AS's stated intent to preserve the brand, jobs, etc? Diamterically opposite what B6 said they were going to do to NK?
What's your logic then? Non-rhetorical question.
the merger might or might not go through, but it won’t be for fear of hurting their chances in HI.
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