AS/HA Merger & JCBA Discussion
11-26-2025 | 07:06 PM
#2781
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Correct. Historical progression based on DOH is utterly meaningless to future progression. The only relevant factors for future progression are known retirements and planned growth... and the latter is of course aspirational at best. You could also consider corporate finances but I'd argue that's only a practical factor for pilots if they're really bad.
The big three are the best bets right now simply because they have a lot of near-term retirements remaining. That's about the only thing you can hang your hat on.
11-26-2025 | 08:37 PM
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11-26-2025 | 09:39 PM
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From: Captain
11-27-2025 | 09:03 PM
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I watched all that from the corporate side. The part no one is talking about is where the bottom of the list FOs go. In 2008 lots of them went to my employer and asked to do my job for less money. There was no union to protect us from the horde of furloughed airline guys. Lots of them got hired and earned their terrible reputations. Now it’s extremely problematic for an airline pilot to move to corporate. “Airline pilot stink” is very, very real.
What I don’t understand is how this little tale of yours is any kind of inspiration to relax. I’m pointing out this will likely happen again. Even without an economic catalyst. At an airline with little to no growth backwards seniority movement is a 5 year plus ordeal. Add in an economic calamity and it will be much worse.
What I don’t understand is how this little tale of yours is any kind of inspiration to relax. I’m pointing out this will likely happen again. Even without an economic catalyst. At an airline with little to no growth backwards seniority movement is a 5 year plus ordeal. Add in an economic calamity and it will be much worse.
Life sucks while junior in seat.... on the engineer panel (I know, I am old
) , the right seat, or the left seat. I have been there, done that. At just over 25 years I am a little better than 50% in the left seat, concerned about the future of whether the plane I fly will be grounded forever, displacement to an aircraft I would prefer not to end my career on, and another long term training event as a commuter that I am not volunteering for. I lost three good friends three weeks ago. One of them I spent the last two months flying with. Stepped back, I am grateful to have the job and know I can help provide for my family doing something I enjoy.Please answer this, from your hire date at AK to your award of captain seat...... How many years did that take? At a major airline.
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