SAN Base opening, finally…
12-02-2025 | 08:52 AM
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12-02-2025 | 08:54 AM
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If we wanted that, it would need to be in the CBA of course, company isn't going to willingly incur moving expenses and training just for our convenience. We could negotiate for it.
12-02-2025 | 08:57 AM
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My experience with that involved large airlines, who typically had a need for that kind of frequency anyway. And in one case the regular scheduled bids would be base swap only, if there were no actual vacancies, and you could only swap like equipment/seat.
If we wanted that, it would need to be in the CBA of course, company isn't going to willingly incur moving expenses and training just for our convenience. We could negotiate for it.
If we wanted that, it would need to be in the CBA of course, company isn't going to willingly incur moving expenses and training just for our convenience. We could negotiate for it.
12-02-2025 | 08:59 AM
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Many folks who live in SAN would have no desire whatsoever to live in the bay area, that's apples to oranges in many ways.
NASNI is only part of it. The entire 3rd marine air wing is in San Diego.
There are also a lot of senior staff billets at various HQ's, many of which are filled with aviators who are short final to retirement.
I gave airline career advice to many such folks over years in the reserves, I do have some SA.
12-02-2025 | 09:01 AM
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12-02-2025 | 09:08 AM
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Many folks who live in SAN would have no desire whatsoever to live in the bay area, that's apples to oranges in many ways.
NASNI is only part of it. The entire 3rd marine air wing is in San Diego.
There are also a lot of senior staff billets at various HQ's, many of which are filled with aviators who are short final to retirement.
I gave airline career advice to many such folks over years in the reserves, I do have some SA.
NASNI is only part of it. The entire 3rd marine air wing is in San Diego.
There are also a lot of senior staff billets at various HQ's, many of which are filled with aviators who are short final to retirement.
I gave airline career advice to many such folks over years in the reserves, I do have some SA.
12-02-2025 | 09:11 AM
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Skywest isn't much larger, and is about the same as our combined airline. JB is similar size. This is another one of those things that comes along with a "global worldwide real airline" or whatever moniker the company wants to use.
12-02-2025 | 09:13 AM
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I mean, you also have NAS Lemoore (I was stationed there), and we have exactly zero pilots in SFO from there. Could there be demand for SAN? Sure, but this idea that SFO is completely unbelievable when Skywest has a large base there. You might very well be right, but again, you are talking about new hires, which means that the company actually has to interview and hire people who live there. We all know how that goes.
Lemoore is irrelevant, almost nobody puts down roots there, it has more in common with Minot AFB in that regard. SAN is a fleet concentration center, you have opportunities for multiple tours over your career, so it's easy to get roots. And a nice place to live.
12-02-2025 | 09:14 AM
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Sure I agree. Just pointing out the numbers, which matter at the negotiating table.
12-02-2025 | 09:28 AM
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The fundamental crux of the issue is should a junior CA be afforded special protection in system bids over FO's who are senior to him? Just because "Captain"?
Why not extend that to domicile as well, since it's reasonably more disruptive to one's life if you have to move the whole family to another city... as opposed to taking a paycut that drops you from the top 5% of earners down to top 10%.
You could argue the case, and the company might even prefer it since it would turn two training events into zero training events and keep the guy higher on the longevity scale in the right seat.
But fundamentally that's not the precedent for how seniority works in our era. Aside from special cases in a merger like the Red Circle thing (I'm not even sure that was ever even triggered?).
I think most would be opposed.
Why not extend that to domicile as well, since it's reasonably more disruptive to one's life if you have to move the whole family to another city... as opposed to taking a paycut that drops you from the top 5% of earners down to top 10%.
You could argue the case, and the company might even prefer it since it would turn two training events into zero training events and keep the guy higher on the longevity scale in the right seat.
But fundamentally that's not the precedent for how seniority works in our era. Aside from special cases in a merger like the Red Circle thing (I'm not even sure that was ever even triggered?).
I think most would be opposed.
We did get Red Circle Captain protections from the arbitrators of the VX/AS SLI that offered a protection for current Captains as of the effective date of SLI. It never had to be used. But it does set a recent precedent, no?
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