SAN Base opening, finally…
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DISCLAIMER: could be fake news, but My understanding was there was some protection from a sleepy senior FO suddenly deciding to bid captain when there were displacements going on across the system. Less bump protection, but a freeze on others. Almost like prevention or mitigation of a flush bid.
We don’t have any transparency in our vacancy bidding as our preferences aren’t public nor data as to the most senior/junior pilots attempting an award.
We don’t have any transparency in our vacancy bidding as our preferences aren’t public nor data as to the most senior/junior pilots attempting an award.
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It’s seniority. Vacancies are awarded first. So that more senior FO would get the position in base Y as Capt. Then as for Capt in base X, it depends if enough CAs above him bid out and satisfied all reduction requirements. If not, as long as he bid his own base X as Capt bid #1 and now can’t hold it, he gets to displace into base Y at his current seniority, and knock out the bottom most Capt at base Y who will then be displaced somewhere else.
vacancies awarded first. If enough Captains voluntarily bid out of the base that is being reduced, it fulfills a reduction requirement and spot isn’t backfilled.
And I’m pretty sure the following is correct…
You could even have Capt awards INTO a base being reduced. Say LA publishes 30 CA reductions. But 35 senior LA Captains voluntarily bid out to SAN and SEA. This example would satisfy all 30 reductions and have 5 proffer positions into LAX CA.
vacancies awarded first. If enough Captains voluntarily bid out of the base that is being reduced, it fulfills a reduction requirement and spot isn’t backfilled.
And I’m pretty sure the following is correct…
You could even have Capt awards INTO a base being reduced. Say LA publishes 30 CA reductions. But 35 senior LA Captains voluntarily bid out to SAN and SEA. This example would satisfy all 30 reductions and have 5 proffer positions into LAX CA.
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DISCLAIMER: could be fake news, but My understanding was there was some protection from a sleepy senior FO suddenly deciding to bid captain when there were displacements going on across the system. Less bump protection, but a freeze on others. Almost like prevention or mitigation of a flush bid.
We don’t have any transparency in our vacancy bidding as our preferences aren’t public nor data as to the most senior/junior pilots attempting an award.
We don’t have any transparency in our vacancy bidding as our preferences aren’t public nor data as to the most senior/junior pilots attempting an award.
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It’s seniority. Vacancies are awarded first. So that more senior FO would get the position in base Y as Capt. Then as for Capt in base X, it depends if enough CAs above him bid out and satisfied all reduction requirements. If not, as long as he bid his own base X as Capt bid #1 and now can’t hold it, he gets to displace into base Y at his current seniority, and knock out the bottom most Capt at base Y who will then be displaced somewhere else.
vacancies awarded first. If enough Captains voluntarily bid out of the base that is being reduced, it fulfills a reduction requirement and spot isn’t backfilled.
And I’m pretty sure the following is correct…
You could even have Capt awards INTO a base being reduced. Say LA publishes 30 CA reductions. But 35 senior LA Captains voluntarily bid out to SAN and SEA. This example would satisfy all 30 reductions and have 5 proffer positions into LAX CA.
vacancies awarded first. If enough Captains voluntarily bid out of the base that is being reduced, it fulfills a reduction requirement and spot isn’t backfilled.
And I’m pretty sure the following is correct…
You could even have Capt awards INTO a base being reduced. Say LA publishes 30 CA reductions. But 35 senior LA Captains voluntarily bid out to SAN and SEA. This example would satisfy all 30 reductions and have 5 proffer positions into LAX CA.
With SFO having a high commuter percentage with senior CAs, I see a lot of them taking SAN. Hell, several live there. Everyone in PHX who can hold it will probably take it, as there is more frequency to SAN than SFO. I think the flying will be better out of SAN too, so if you already commute, it might make sense just to commute to SAN. DM is out of his mind if he thinks everyone will just live there lol. Good to see the dinosaurs still not understanding how the airlines work...SAN will be another high commuter base, and I bet we have the same FO issues there that we do in SFO. It's another hyper-expensive base, and AS will continue to ONLY interview people who live in Gig Harbor, just to push them into SAN as a new hire. His statement inside that email was demoralizing and depressing. They will say and do anything except properly staffing the airline and fixing the real issues.
I actually think this will result in minimal pain on the CA side. I hate seeing two bases reduced, but I don't think we see a bunch of forced downgrades.
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Personally, I like DM. When he was in the CP office he went to bat a few times for me compared to his counterpart at that time. How ever I don't like the way the last paragraph was worded to us especially when we get emails and praise about how professional and great our pilot group is.
The company hates training cycles and pilots not flying the line. The timing of SAN opening is a bit strange to me as there are many variables over the next year that could bring massive training events. I'm sure they had multiple people run financial scenarios about opening the SAN base now vs later along with displacements, upgrades, but the biggest variable to me is what does basing and flying look like when the SLI is completed but obviously, thats a ways off.
The company hates training cycles and pilots not flying the line. The timing of SAN opening is a bit strange to me as there are many variables over the next year that could bring massive training events. I'm sure they had multiple people run financial scenarios about opening the SAN base now vs later along with displacements, upgrades, but the biggest variable to me is what does basing and flying look like when the SLI is completed but obviously, thats a ways off.
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