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Old 12-02-2025 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
DISCLAIMER: could be fake news, but My understanding was there was some protection from a sleepy senior FO suddenly deciding to bid captain when there were displacements going on across the system. Less bump protection, but a freeze on others. Almost like prevention or mitigation of a flush bid.

We don’t have any transparency in our vacancy bidding as our preferences aren’t public nor data as to the most senior/junior pilots attempting an award.
If anything our side may be more limited in movement because half our pilot group is seat locked at any given time due to all the fleet changes which prevents movement in displacements or regular bids.
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Old 12-02-2025 | 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
It’s seniority. Vacancies are awarded first. So that more senior FO would get the position in base Y as Capt. Then as for Capt in base X, it depends if enough CAs above him bid out and satisfied all reduction requirements. If not, as long as he bid his own base X as Capt bid #1 and now can’t hold it, he gets to displace into base Y at his current seniority, and knock out the bottom most Capt at base Y who will then be displaced somewhere else.


vacancies awarded first. If enough Captains voluntarily bid out of the base that is being reduced, it fulfills a reduction requirement and spot isn’t backfilled.



And I’m pretty sure the following is correct…

You could even have Capt awards INTO a base being reduced. Say LA publishes 30 CA reductions. But 35 senior LA Captains voluntarily bid out to SAN and SEA. This example would satisfy all 30 reductions and have 5 proffer positions into LAX CA.
No no no. Every FO is bidding CA and all SEA CA s are being displaced to *check notes SFO FO.
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Old 12-02-2025 | 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by WarmSandDreams
Wow. It has been a while since I've worked for a leader as uninspiring as DM(and we had Ingram as a CEO). Has he always treated you all like children, or is this a new trait?
No it’s always been like this. You’ll get used to it. A lot of people are waking up from the hangover of celebrating opening a SAN base to realizing they can’t hold it, hundreds of families lives will be disrupted and we aren’t really even growing much if at all. We are just shifting flying around the chessboard.
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Old 12-02-2025 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
DISCLAIMER: could be fake news, but My understanding was there was some protection from a sleepy senior FO suddenly deciding to bid captain when there were displacements going on across the system. Less bump protection, but a freeze on others. Almost like prevention or mitigation of a flush bid.

We don’t have any transparency in our vacancy bidding as our preferences aren’t public nor data as to the most senior/junior pilots attempting an award.
A displaced pilot can go into any category where there is a pilot junior to them. A senior pilot needs a vacancy to be awarded a spot.
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Old 12-02-2025 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
It’s seniority. Vacancies are awarded first. So that more senior FO would get the position in base Y as Capt. Then as for Capt in base X, it depends if enough CAs above him bid out and satisfied all reduction requirements. If not, as long as he bid his own base X as Capt bid #1 and now can’t hold it, he gets to displace into base Y at his current seniority, and knock out the bottom most Capt at base Y who will then be displaced somewhere else.


vacancies awarded first. If enough Captains voluntarily bid out of the base that is being reduced, it fulfills a reduction requirement and spot isn’t backfilled.



And I’m pretty sure the following is correct…

You could even have Capt awards INTO a base being reduced. Say LA publishes 30 CA reductions. But 35 senior LA Captains voluntarily bid out to SAN and SEA. This example would satisfy all 30 reductions and have 5 proffer positions into LAX CA.
This is correct.

With SFO having a high commuter percentage with senior CAs, I see a lot of them taking SAN. Hell, several live there. Everyone in PHX who can hold it will probably take it, as there is more frequency to SAN than SFO. I think the flying will be better out of SAN too, so if you already commute, it might make sense just to commute to SAN. DM is out of his mind if he thinks everyone will just live there lol. Good to see the dinosaurs still not understanding how the airlines work...SAN will be another high commuter base, and I bet we have the same FO issues there that we do in SFO. It's another hyper-expensive base, and AS will continue to ONLY interview people who live in Gig Harbor, just to push them into SAN as a new hire. His statement inside that email was demoralizing and depressing. They will say and do anything except properly staffing the airline and fixing the real issues.

I actually think this will result in minimal pain on the CA side. I hate seeing two bases reduced, but I don't think we see a bunch of forced downgrades.
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Old 12-02-2025 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBogardi
A displaced pilot can go into any category where there is a pilot junior to them. A senior pilot needs a vacancy to be awarded a spot.
So the solution is displace before vacancy. Least harm? And yet that’s not how the company does things. Curious why.
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Old 12-02-2025 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
So the solution is displace before vacancy. Least harm? And yet that’s not how the company does things. Curious why.
Would that actually change anything or is just something to be mad about?
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Old 12-02-2025 | 06:51 AM
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Personally, I like DM. When he was in the CP office he went to bat a few times for me compared to his counterpart at that time. How ever I don't like the way the last paragraph was worded to us especially when we get emails and praise about how professional and great our pilot group is.

The company hates training cycles and pilots not flying the line. The timing of SAN opening is a bit strange to me as there are many variables over the next year that could bring massive training events. I'm sure they had multiple people run financial scenarios about opening the SAN base now vs later along with displacements, upgrades, but the biggest variable to me is what does basing and flying look like when the SLI is completed but obviously, thats a ways off.

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Old 12-02-2025 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBogardi
Would that actually change anything or is just something to be mad about?
I’m not going to SD, but having the company offer vacancies before displacements seems to be manipulation. Living in a multiverse with multiple bases for the same fleet type vs numerous fleets in a single base does open one up to abuse. See Spirit and Frontier. CBA seems to come to mind…
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Old 12-02-2025 | 07:34 AM
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What does your contract state?
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