It sucks to be junior everywhere. I really hope a big focus of the JCBA is addressing this. I would like to see more movement and growth for sure.

We are roughly 4 times as big as HA. Would need about 600 to make that pace.

3800/1323=2.872

2.872x150=430.8

Going off of memory here, but weren't you guys closer to 800 to 900 at the announcement of the merger?

Attrition report is due out tomorrow…

Cool, you can add up the mount we have hired since announcement. Post back with your expert findings.

Less than that, but we have hired closed to the relative number.

Vacacncy bid as of 12/19/24 (two weeks post merger announcement), we had 1193 pilots. Of which 63% were widebody pilots.

So 1193 then and 1323 now (your numbers l, I haven't fact checked)means the HA side has had almost 11% growth since the announcement. The other posters assessment that we are "about the same" doesn't hold much water. Our current ALPA list shows 3452, not 3800. With our 150ish new hires we are maybe slightly ahead of retirements over the same time. Definitely not "about the same". Again, I think it will even out eventually, but our proudly all Boeing philosophy has hamstrung us for the last few years. I really wonder if they count the cost of not being able to grow when they claim the 737 is so much cheaper than the 321. To differentiate myself from GJ, I want to mention again that I am not miserable. I enjoy my job, even as a fairly junior reserve, and it has made things possible for my family that wouldn't have been if I hadn't taken the early upgrade. But GJ's numbers check out. His decision to be constantly miserable because of it doesn't.

the all Boeing fleet has indeed come back to bite them, I’m sure they know it last summer they could not capture as much revenue they would like due to lack of planes. q3 will be telling with the max 10 if it comes back to bite them one more time or is the Apple finally sweet enough to eat. Not sure where GJ got 12 mo the after for HUD cert on the oct HA/AS pilot call they said 6 months after cert we will get them.

now AS is in a corner with PW engine backlog to get a new NEO is like 2035 so AS has made its all Boeing bed and is getting ready to lie in it. It’s been a bed that’s been a little uncomfortable but if the max is. Or certified in 26 then that bed will turn to into a bed full of spikes as it’ll be another year of .5% growth with the -8’s (ASM growth not necessarily pilot number growth)

yes I would agree my base is country club ish we just don’t have enjoy flying in the base to be used and abused pros and cons of a smaller base I suppose but also way less flying but living 25 mins from the employee lot is nice and makes things a lot easier with show and checkout times

but here we are later this year will be pivotal. If it’s not cert in 26 that’ll be almost 4 years of minimal “growth” if any

I don’t know if we have hired more than HA since 2023 the rails came off a month later in Jan with the door plug I’ll dig through it later and post what I find